From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon May 03 2004 - 20:26:38 BST
Hi
Thanks for that, 'in the beginning was the word'
most people don't seem to notice that that means
that the word was before god.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God. He was with God in the beginning."
regards
David M
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From: "Joe" <jhmau@sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: MD DQ/SQ, myticism and the organic conception of nature
> On 29 April 2004 2:32 PM David M writes:
>
> David M:
> "The simple mystic will often compare creation to a tree. This is because
> the mystic believes in growth. This is not the growth of an earthly tree
> because this tree has no predetermined form. The substance of the tree is
> the element water, the tree itself only being a process of the water. This
> process prevents the motion of the water and curtails its wave-like
nature.
> This process has been called the regimen. Below the tree there is no
growth,
> no creation, because below the tree is nothingness. Only within the tree
is
> being, therefore only within the tree is growth. The tree is not of the
> world but yet is the world. The tree is the entirety of creation as it is
> and as it was, and yet the tree is not known in the world. The roots, and
> even the trunk of the tree, is a graveyard. It is the graveyard of the
world
> manifest, the dead bulk, the multitude of abandoned forms, the geometry of
> stagnation. Growth is not to be found here. Growth is to be found at the
> extreme heights of the tree. On the tip of each branch burns a flame.
>
> So it is that growth does not take place in a vacuum but begins in a
system
> that is already complex, highly organised, adapted, self-sustaining and
yet
> somehow incomplete. This much I know but I ask myself: what sort of
> condition is it for a man to be unfinished? How does it feel to be a man
who
> is no more than the seed of a man? It is to be a part-man, a potential
man,
> kept alive by some sort of form-field; a field that awaits the day of
> effectuation, a field that seeks and desires the whole-man. To be a mortal
> man, to be a part-man, is an agitation. There is no rest for mortal men.
But
> this is life, and activity gives pleasure to all differentiated things.
But
> to all differentiated things belongs also death. Death brings the
cessation
> of activity. One man, therefore, can die many times in his life but most
men
> do not even know themselves once. Most men do not wish to die even though
> death brings such joy. This is not the death of part-men, who are the
> eternally living, but the death of the whole-man. For in wholeness
activity
> ceases and is nothingness. But in each death is a new birth because
creation
> grows like a tree and flows like a fountain; so that by each addition to
the
> graveyard of creation, with every inch reaching further out of the soil,
out
> of nothingness, the tree of creation spreads and pours.
>
> Is the whole-man then an impossibility? I do not know. Where, even, is the
> whole-man to be sought? This is the real burden of life: the elusiveness
of
> the whole-man. For if I knew him, I would already have found him, thus it
> seems impossible to know where to seek. But wait, is this not the hub, the
> whole-man is only obtained by an act of creation, by an emergent form, not
> only completing an existing field but generating in addition a new one."
>
> Hi David M and all,
>
> joe: Beautiful! As I was reading your words I was reminded of a cadence
in
> the Gospels.
>
> "At the beginning of time the Word already was; and God had the word
abiding
> with him, and the Word was God. It was through him that all things came
> into being, and without him came nothing that has come to be. In him
there
> was life, and life was the light of men. And the light shines in
darkness,
> a darkness which was not able to master it" John 1, 1-6
>
> Joe Maurer
>
>
>
>
>
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