From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Fri May 14 2004 - 14:15:41 BST
Hi Mark,
I have been busy, too. I will be sure to give our discussion more thought and
respond to your thoughts, but I don't know how soon.
Steve
>
> From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
> Date: 2004/05/14 Fri AM 06:41:17 CDT
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Subject: Re: MD Patterns
>
> In a message dated 5/6/04 9:27:43 PM GMT Daylight Time,
> peterson.steve@verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > Patterns can have far weaker correlations with substance than a river
> > does. We can think of gravity as a pattern though gravity has
> > virtually no properties associated with substance.
>
> Hello Steve,
> I have been busy but have kept your post in mind.
> One must understand that the key feature of substance is that it is
> permanent. This permanence only appears to change because there are changes
in its
> attributes or modes, (spatio-temperal, form, colour, etc.)
> It is possible to appeal to an ultimate substance - God - of which everything
> is a mode or attribute? So, you can see how the debate is really one of
> permanence and change?
> The MoQ avoids many of the problems of substance because DQ is a flux, and
> patterns are stable only for as long as they may be sustained. Everything is
> evolving or swirling and going nowhere? But even swirls and eddies must be
> sustained in their dead-end activities by DQ? This is where i would disagree
with
> Platt, who suggests some static patterns do not involve DQ.
> To move onto the notion of coherence, we may describe very static patterns as
> being a particular variety of low coherence. These patterns hover at a sweet
> spot of their own so removed from High coherence as to appear almost dead?
>
> To sum up, Substantiality has for its basis the concept of permanence. But
> there are no permanent structures in the MoQ.
>
> All the best,
> Mark
>
>
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