From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed May 19 2004 - 19:27:56 BST
On 16 May 2004 3:35 PM Alicia Dvorak writes:
ALD ok so here's my question:
There's been talk about the relationships between social and biological
levels and the need for police/force to control 'biological crime'.
but i don't think i understand what that means. it seems like a phrase
that getting tossed around without any examination or definition and a
lot rests upon it. is all crime biological? what ARE the biological
motives behind a crime. Is wanting to steal money a biologically
motivated action and wanting to make money a social one? laws lie
entirely within the social level so in what ways does the breaking of
those laws cross over into biology?
Hi Alicia and all:
Hello, ALD! My understanding of the MOQ is that I have a mystical
experience of the undefined. Using the mystical experience of the undefined
Pirsig poses a mystical degenerate split of undefined Quality into Dynamic
Quality and Static Quality. He experiences a metaphysical degenerate split
into inorganic, organic, social and intellectual levels. This is a moral
hiearchy. And now we can reason about morals. He uses evolutionary
'betterness' as his guide to the levels. Static quality latches dynamic
quality. IMO (In My Opinion) Creation, preservation, and destruction are
normal. How is evolution distinguished from crime?
To define organic as 'biological', to introduce 'crime' and 'a police force'
is a further degeneration. You ask a complicated querstion. Is there a
mystical element in a 'police force'? Laws indicate the limits of the
mystical undefined, e.g., the law of gravity.
IMO using a trust in static patterns to destroy the possibility of latching
Dynamic Quality is a crime. Socrates, Joan of Arc, the Brujo are examples.
What is the mystical element of restraint? Order!
I suggest a mystical experience for the four orders. For the inorganic
order I see 'gravity' as undefined. For the organic order 'purpose' is
undefined. For the social order 'existence' is undefined. For the
intellectual order I use Bo's description and 'unfinished s/o
(subject/object)' is undefined.
From Mark Maxwell's The Edge of Chaos on moq.org I pose that a sentient
individual has experience of the preferences of each order. A sentient can
commit crimes by adulterating, mixing up the levels, or by being unaware of,
ignoring the levels, crimes of commision and ommission. Awareness is a part
of the police force. The police of the social order are the easiest to
recognize. Custom, habit, education are harder to view as forms of
restraint to obey particular laws.
If a sentient with a static trust in gravity destroys purpose in an
individual, this is a crime and stops evolution. If a sentient with a
static trust in purpose destroys order in an individual this is a crime and
stops evolution. If a sentient with a static trust in order destroys
unfinished s/o in an individual this is a crime and stops evolution. If a
sentient with a static trust in unfinished s/o destroys gravity in an
individual (e.g. scorched, radioactive planet surface, or a polluted
atmosphere inimical to life) this is a crime and stops evolution.
Evolution, custom, education, awareness are all members of the police force.
Not all crime is reduced to biological crime.
as always (| IMO |)
Joe Maurer
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