MD Re: Patterns (and consciousness)

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 01 2004 - 17:02:29 BST

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    Oops, I forgot to change the subject back to the thread I was responding to:
      Patterns.

    Does anyone care to comment on the time component of patterns, how they
    ontologically continue the past into the future? Also, patterns explain
    what consciousness is - it is patterns. Patterns are all that
    consciousness is conscious of, and patterns could not exist without
    consciousness to see them into the future.

    >From: "johnny moral" <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
    >Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:27:11 +0000
    >
    >Hi gang,
    >
    >How is everyone doing?
    >
    >I let my hotmail account expire when I let a month go by without accessing
    >it, and I guess that got me unsubscribed, so I've just been taking a break
    >from posting (and giving you a break from me posting:-)). But I've been
    >peeking at the archives periodically to see what's been going on, and I
    >just couldn't let this remarkable development go by without comment, so I
    >resubscribed:
    >
    >Platt wrote on May 7th:
    >>I agree with you and DMB that change in and of itself doesn't always mean
    >that DQ is involved, a point I've repeated several times in other posts.
    >So when you say, "When Pirsig uses the phrase 'static pattern' I don't
    >think that he means to exclude change or to associate change with Dynamic
    >Quality," I say, "Right on."
    >
    >I remember you and others pretty much dismissed me when I was making this
    >point last year, you all said that static patterns never change, by
    >definition. So I'm glad to see you've expanded your rigid definition of
    >static patterns. Static patterns change when they are influenced by other
    >static patterns. In fact, static patterns are always changing, quite
    >obvioulsy in the case of individuals (witness Platt's coming around on this
    >topic but still being Platt) and less obviously in the case of a glass of
    >water (it loses atoms very slowly). Even patterns like Gravity must slowly
    >change, I would think.
    >
    >An important aspect to a pattern no one mentioned is the element of time
    >passing in the repeating of a pattern. A pattern represents the past
    >becoming the present, according to the pattern. It is formed from
    >experience and is expected to continue into the future. The pattern of a
    >glass is an expectation, based on the pattern, that it will remain a glass,
    >and that carries it into the future. If the glass falls and breaks
    >(because the pattern of glasses breaking when they hit the floor is
    >stronger), then the pattern is gone. The stronger an expectation, the
    >stronger the pattern, and the greater value it has. Value comes from
    >expectation being realized, from patterns continuing. The patterns of
    >things that no longer exist, like the Holy Roman Empire, do not exist any
    >more, only the pattern of it as a historical concept exists now, and only
    >the historical concept continues to exist into the future to create the
    >present.
    >
    >So, that's what I say a pattern is. I agree with Pirsig that they are
    >"integral and inherent in reality".
    >
    >Have any of you given any more thought to how Expectation neatly expresses
    >morality, value, and quality? Or have you been relieved not to have to
    >hear about it? I've been reading Neitzsche and Heidegger, and I think
    >Neitzsche's Will To Power is a way of expressing the ontology of
    >expectation: expectation is what will be, and values it being so, as that
    >empowers expectation itself.
    >
    >Johnny
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