From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Thu Jun 03 2004 - 02:38:15 BST
Hi Mark M,
> Hi Platt,
> You very seriously need to begin reading 'Deterring democracy' by Noam
> Chomsky. For example, are you aware how much the American government
> approved of Mussolini when he came to power? Mussolini was described as, "a
> splendid chap."
By whom?
Mark 3-6-04: Hello Platt, If you read 'Deterring democracy' you may find this
out for yourself.
> Mussolini was supported, as was Hitler, and both described
> as 'moderates' by the US government of the time. This is a matter of
> congressional record. It is there in black and white.
The congressional record reports what is said in Congress. The
Administration, a separate branch of government in case you didn't know,
is responsible for U.S. foreign policy. Congressmen are always flapping
their gums about this and that. But they don't make policy.
Mark 3-6-04: A 1937 state department report concluded that "fascism is
becoming the soul of Italy," having "brought order out of chaos, discipline out of
licence, and solvency out of bankruptcy." To "accomplish so much in a short
time severe measures have been necessary," the report concluded. Deterring
democracy. p. 41.
> This stance changed considerably, as we both know. But what i wish for you
> to understand is this: If the US government's officially declared position
> is researched prior to the beginning of World war 2, it is a matter of
> official documentation that the US preferred fascism to democracy in Italy
> and Germany.
That my friend is just absolute nonsense.
Mark 3-6-04: The American charge d'affaires in Berlin wrote to Washington in
1933 that the hope for Germany lay in "the more moderate section of the [Nazi]
party, headed by Hitler himself...which appeal(s) to all civilised and
reasonable people," and seems to have "the upper hand" over the violent fringe. In
1937, the State department saw fascism as compatible with US economic
interests. ibid.
> If you consult a map of Europe, you will note that England and
> France are in close proximity to Germany and Italy. It was England and
> France who had to deal with fascism on their doorstep, and not the US, who
> supported fascism as a matter of official record.
Not only is this false, but it bears no relevance to the Americans who
died to defeat the Axis in WWII. Why do you attempt to belittle what the
U.S. did to free Europe from the Fascist and Communist boots? Maybe you
and Chomsky ought to the concentration camps and look long and hard at
those ovens.
Mark 3-6-04: Platt, you insist that truth hurts. But ignorance is bliss?
The US did not free Europe all by itself. I seem to remember my father
telling me before he died that he fought in the second World war. Maybe that was
just a dream, but i don't recall him mentioning fighting with Americans? Perhaps
it was their day off or something?
> Please educate yourself to the facts Platt?
By reading Chomsky's skewed version of history? No thanks.
Mark 3-6-04: I see. This is very interesting. You are not going to read a
book which may tell you some things you would very much rather not expose
yourself to. Pure thought tells you Chomsky has skewed history without taking the
time to consult evidence?
This is the mark of an individual with a closed mind Platt.
> You may do this a number of ways; the best way would be for you to research
> the congressional archives and disprove Noam Chomsky.
You are making the claims. You do the research.
Mark 3-6-04: I feel you are good example of the effectiveness of US
propaganda when applied to its own people.
> By the way, Sadham Hussien was also described as a middle Eastern
> 'moderate' when it suited the US in the 80's. (About the time he was being
> armed with nerve gas by Donald Rumsfeld.)
Another unsubstantiated claim. Next you'll be telling me that Michael
Moore is a reliable source.
Mark 3-6-04: I don't enjoy telling you this Platt, but there are a number of
unpleasant circumstances of which you appear to be ignorant.
Anyway, what has all this to do with the MOQ? Perhaps your time would be
better spent reading Lila again.
Regards,
Platt
Mark 3-6-04: If you agree with me and regard the MOQ as a Metaphysical
description of everything, then the answer to your question should be pretty
obvious.
We may view Chomsky's work in the light of a Value centred metaphysics. We
may examine the behaviour and evolution of various political organisations and
gain understanding.
Unless of course bliss is your preferred state?
In that regard, you at least have a very large number of companions. And
let's face it, it is by far the easier option?
All the best,
Mark
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