From: Johannes Volmert (jvolmert@student.uni-kassel.de)
Date: Wed Jun 09 2004 - 10:18:14 BST
Hi All,
it is good for everbody to value ALL aspects of a discussion! I try
myself to subject to the perception of different points of view. As I
don't have a TV-set, I do this by reading Online papers of diametrical
political opinions.
A true intellectual (as described by Pirsig) consideration implies all
aspects at hand, then a valuation of these and finally a choice of the
highest intellectual value pattern. You'll be the judge about these
aspects: No more and no less! Since this is utopian, you have to regard
your own political baselines which is for me (Germany) e.g. the
Greens/the moderate left, and afterwards also to view the arguments of
you political opponent. That may be lots of work, that may be
laborious, but eventually you have a better chance of reaching a high
value pattern (implicitly based on the assumption that you underlying
intellectual value patterns are of high quality ;-) ).
That should lead the level of intellectual value patterns to a higher
evolutionary state, because in case your personal intellectual value
pattern system gets better, also the level of Intellectual patterns of
value will profit as a whole.
The level of intellectual value patterns will be the last to understood
- if ever!
I have already tried to discuss this point in the past: The importance
of having in mind the subjectiveness of human mind (Bodvar would be
beating me up for this, I guess!).
Look upon your mind, look upon your point of view! What will you see?
A bit saddening in these days is the very polarized discussion about the
Iraq or, for my fellow american discussioners, G.W. Bush ( s.a. Brooks;
Editorial NYT). Obviously this extreme polarization seems to be an
american problem, mainly. It is hereabouts - in large parts - a
political discussion about Bush and Iraq by means of the MOQ. Or to say
it more directly: Some of you try to argue for their political point of
view with the help of Pirsig. Remember his words? (no quotation) : The
MOQ is eventually only a playing field.
I'm definitely sure any kind of dogmatism is absent in the MOQ!
I'd originally intended to also point out some aspects concerning the
(President Bush) comparism between WWII and Iraq (i.e. Germany in '39
and Iraq) but I guess I will unsubscribe soon and return perhaps after
Nov. 2. ;-) . I see I'll have to take care about some mental problems
first of all, and finish my studies finally!
It's been interesting to watch; good bye to ye all. Good luck to all
liberals and conservatives! ;-))
See you,
JoVo
PS.: Planned and cancelled thread: '... and above him only God';
G.W.Bush, the Geneva convention and some contradictions (s.a. NYT)
PPS: Oh, yes! Ronald Reagan: He was an honest, straight and freedom
loving man. And helped to reunite Germany and to tumble the (communist )
soviet-union. But did he really pass highest marks concerning wisdom,
morality, intellectuallity and sense of justice as described in the MOQ?
One of the greatest Presidents ever? (Not rethorical!)
Mark Steven Heyman wrote:
>Hi Mark,
>
>By all means get the book and read it! You'll be falling outta your
>chair...
>
>I think Rush should have Chomsky on his radio show. It would
>probably end with Rush turning purple and beating the shit outta
>Noam. Then he could go to jail with all the other drug addicts he
>thinks belong there.
>
>Best,
>msh
>
>
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