Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Jun 10 2004 - 14:55:34 BST

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    Dear Wim,

    PH
    > 'If you would please expand on how economic dependence is an instrument of
    > conversation between society and biology. ... I take it you believe that
    > communist ideology as espoused in the Communist Manifesto has merit. If so,
    > please explain.'
     
    WIM
    > Economic dependence holds societies together (e.g. maintains the social
    > patterns of value of international trade that hold together global society)
    > that would otherwise disintegrate into smaller societies providing their
    > members less freedom from biological restrictions.

    Agree. But I don't understand where "conversation" comes in. Pirsig's
    point was that you can't talk bio-criminals out of being bio-criminals.
    You deal with them with the military and police. You've changed the ground
    by referring to something you call "biological restrictions" which I take
    to mean the biological necessities of human life--food, shelter, clothing.
    But that's not what "conversation" in the MOQ is about. Further, it's
    economic "interdependence," not "dependence" that holds societies
    together. Naturally, a lot of conversation goes on in the marketplace.

    > Communist ideology as
    > espoused in the Communist Manifesto united labourers and those sympathizing
    > with labourers who wanted freedom from what we now experience as primitive
    > and dehumanizing labour conditions. It has merit compared to contemporary
    > alternatives that defended those labour conditions. Under attack communist
    > ideology developed variants (like Leninism) justifying excessive use of
    > policemen, soldiers and guns to repress (what they perceive as) lower
    > quality parts of their society (and what are in part attempts to reform
    > their societies in a more moral direction). Those variants have less merit
    > than alternatives propagating liberation from social restrictions by
    > justifying higher quality instruments of conversation between 'society' and
    > 'biology'.

    I cannot think of a single society that has tried Marxist theory that
    hasn't become totalitarian nor has come anywhere near equalling the
    standard of living provided by free market capitalism. I cannot help but
    wonder why, in view of history, you and others believe communism can ever
    fulfill its ideals. Perhaps you can explain.

    Best regards,
    Platt

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