Re: MD distinguishing 3rd and 4th level

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 17 2004 - 19:55:31 BST

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    hi gav,

    Um, no i think people are conscious of social level patterns and have to be.
      When people wave hello to their neighbor, I think they are conscious of
    doing so. When people bring gifts to a wedding, they do it consciously.
    Third level patterns are just ways that biological patterns (in our case,
    humans) tend to interact with each other. If the pattern describes ways
    individual biological patterns tend to interact, it is third level, a social
    pattern.

    But if it describes the way social patterns tend to interact, it is an
    intellectual pattern. If someone is describing how marriage (social
    pattern) relates to patriarchy (another social pattern), they are creating
    an intellectual pattern. Peaople are individual biological units that form
    social patterns of workers and owners, and those social patterns create
    intellectual patterns when they interact.

    That's been my take on how the levels relate. What do you think?

    Johnny

    >From: gav <gav_gc@yahoo.com.au>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: Re: MD distinguishing 3rd and 4th level
    >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:34:37 +1000 (EST)
    >
    >would everyone agree that the simplest and major
    >distinction between the 3rd and 4th levels is that the
    >3rd level operates unconsciously, whereas the 4th
    >level operates consciously.
    >the evolution of consciousness being the point at
    >which the 4th level broke from its parent 3rd level.
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