Re: MD MOQ and Human Variation to DQ

From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jun 21 2004 - 21:14:49 BST

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    >From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: Re: MD MOQ and Human Variation
    >Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:41:12 -0700
    >
    >Hi Platt, and all,
    >
    >Thanks for the Tom Wolfe. I too like him a lot. But for the beauty
    >of the written word, I gotta go with Thomas Wolfe, or Faulkner, or
    >the early Styron in "The Confessions of Nat Turner" or "Set this
    >house on Fire." Anyway, maybe this outta be in the Art and Beauty
    >thread.
    >
    >Some comments interspersed below...
    >
    >On 19 Jun 2004 at 10:38, Platt Holden wrote:
    >One of my favorite authors is Tom Wolfe. In an article entitled
    >"Digibabble, Fairy Dust and the Human Anthill," he wrote:
    >
    >"But in the twentieth century, the Darwin story of human life--
    >natural selection, sexual selection, survival of the fittest and all
    >the rest of it--had been overshadowed by the Freudian and Marxist
    >stories. Marx said social class determined a human being's destiny.
    >Freud said it was the Oedipal drama within the family. Both were
    >forces external to the newborn infant. Darwinists, Wilson foremost
    >among them, turned all that upside down and proclaimed that the genes
    >the infant was born with determined his destiny."
    >
    >msh says:
    >Yes, Freud and Marx were wrong insofar as they discounted or denied
    >or ignored the effects of genes in determining intelligence, etc.
    >But, remember, they didn't have at their hands the same science
    >available to Wilson. It may or may not have made a difference, but
    >we might give them the benefit of the doubt.
    >
    >Insofar as Wilson or anyone claims that "the genes the infant was
    >born with determined his destiny," this is utter nonsense. Clearly,
    >society plays a vital role in determining one's destiny. You can be
    >born a Bush and end up in the White House; or you can be born a
    >genius in El Salvador and end up on the end of a bayonet.
    >
    >ph:
    >An interesting viewpoint. But, more interesting is the idea that our
    >human response to Dynamic Quality is genetic. In speaking about
    >"internal forces" in a new born baby, Pirsig wrote:
    >
    >"From the baby's point of view, something, he knows not what, compels
    >attention. This generalized "something," White-head's "dim
    >apprehension," is Dynamic Quality." (Lila, 9)
    >
    >This would, of course, apply to all humans regardless of race.

    Perhaps, although not equally, as racial studies of infants has shown.-PV

    >
    >msh says:
    >Don't see the connection to genetics here. It seems to me that all
    >babies will respond to DQ in this manner, and that, as environmental
    >factors take over, some will become more or less responsive over
    >time.

    There is a connection to genetics here, of course. Some races are naturally
    more or
    less responsive from the get-go to DQ and this will have an effect and
    affect the overall
    inter-action of the infant and child with DQ and his or her environment over
    time as well. -PV

    >
    >Best,
    >Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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