Re: MD Neo-Nazi Racism and the MOQ go together like peanutbutter and bro ken glass. Sandwich anyone?

From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 22 2004 - 15:42:27 BST

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    Hello All,

    Platt asks:

    "Wouldn't you think that in a site dedicated to Pirsig that contributors
    would actually read what he wrote once in awhile?"

    You would think so, but, some here are more interested in pushing their
    own "social-marxist" agendas, and "egotisms" than in their discussing LILA
    and what Pirsig had actually written, whether factually accurate or not.

    Best regards,
    Paul Vogel
    http://www.cosmotheism.net

    >From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org, owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
    >Subject: Re: MD Neo-Nazi Racism and the MOQ go together like peanutbutter
    >and bro ken glass. Sandwich anyone?
    >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:01:38 -0400
    >
    >Hi All,
    >
    > > On 21 Jun 2004 at 10:35, Platt Holden wrote:
    > >
    > > Pirsig:
    > > "What makes the free-enterprise system superior is that the
    > > socialists, reasoning intelligently and objectively, have
    > > inadvertently closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and
    > > selling of things. They closed it because the metaphysical structure
    > > of their objectivity never told them Dynamic Quality exists." (Lila,
    > > 17)
    > >
    > > Platt:
    > > To all egalitarians, communitarians and other radical left-wingers
    > > who think the MOQ supports their collectivist social values--read it
    > > again and weep. Intellect sides with free enterprise.
    > >
    > > msh says:
    > > What Platt doesn't understand is that Pirsig is speaking about a
    > > theoretical "Free Market" that doesn't exist.
    >
    >Nonsense. Pirsig writes:
    >
    >"People, like everything else, work better in parallel than they do in
    >series, and that is what happens in THIS FREE ENTERPRISE CITY. When things
    >are organized socialistically in a bureaucratic series, any increase in
    >complexity increases the probability of failure. But when they're
    >organized in a free-enterprise parallel, an increase in complexity becomes
    >an increase in diversity more capable of responding to Dynamic Quality,
    >and thus an increase of the probability of success. It's this diversity
    >and parallelism that make this city work. And not just this city. Our
    >greatest national economic success, agriculture, is organized almost
    >entirely in parallel." (Lila, 17) (emphasis added)
    >
    >By "this free enterprise city" Pirsig is speaking about the existing New
    >York, not some theoretical Utopia.
    >
    >Wouldn't you think that in a site dedicated to Pirsig that contributors
    >would actually read what he wrote once in awhile?
    >
    >Best,
    >Platt
    >
    >
    >
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