From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jun 23 2004 - 15:38:13 BST
Hello All,
It is clear that some few within the MOQ discussion forum here can only
"dish out" their "social-marxist" and schlock ad hominem personal attacks,
like "anti-semitic", etc. ad nauseum, when they really just can't defend
their own "social-marxist" or their own Pro-Zionist and Pro-Israeli and
Pro-Invasion-of-Iraq, NEO-CONSERVATIVE and "politically-correct"
dogmatisms or selfishly subjective "party-line" positiions, neither
factually
nor rationally, and then, as a final resort, and "like a twelve year old
girl",
always do call for the politically-motivated and selfishly subjective and
hypocritical and bigoted censorship of their rational and factual critics.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
>From: Charles Roghair <ctr@pacificpartssales.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD The Final Cut
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:23:25 -0700
>
>Amen. Also, Vogel, maybe reconsider the incessant peppering of your
>schlock with emoticons; it gives your propaganda the appearance of a
>12-year-old-girl text-messaging her friends and is truly a modern refuge
>for the weak-minded electronic contributer. Actually, on second thought,
>don't change a thing.
>
>ctr
>
>On Jun 22, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Valence wrote:
>
>>To all,
>>
>>As a Pirsig enthusiast for almost a decade and a half, a member of this
>>discussion group since near its inception, and a member of the Steering
>>Committee, I write this post with a heavy heart. But in the past few
>>months
>>I have seen the discussion in this group degenerate from rational
>>philosophical explorations of Pirsig's philosophy to petty political
>>squabbling of the most disgusting kind (like an email version of CNN's
>>"Crossfire" but where the participants try to bolster their positions by
>>referring to Pirsig quotes) and increasingly vicious ad hominem attacks.
>>
>>Today I came home and was greeted by one particular post which came off as
>>little more than a brazenly anti-semitic rant about how the war in Iraq is
>>the result of a vast zionist conspiracy that controls the American
>>government. On the level of argument, I can only say that this theory is
>>so
>>far beyond preposterous and riddled with logical holes as to be unworthy
>>of
>>intellectual reply. To the author that post, I can say only that I
>>sincerely hope I have misinterpreted you, but otherwise, I think you're
>>beneath contempt, an insult to Pirsig's legacy, and that your presence is
>>a
>>stain on this forum.
>>
>>I would never dream of asking Horse to ban someone just because I
>>disagreed
>>with the content of their ideas, but neither will I continue to subject
>>myself to the socially hateful and intellectually vapid bickering that
>>this
>>list has been reduced to. First it just quieted me down... then it turned
>>me into a strict lurker... now I'm through.
>>
>>Over the past six or seven years (I can't even remember how long it's
>>been),
>>I believe I have learned a great deal from various forum members who
>>greatly
>>contributed to my understanding of Pirsig, philosophy, people and life in
>>general (and I hope maybe I helped some of them learn a thing or two). To
>>all of those people, I offer my warmest gratitude and my best wishes for
>>the
>>future. I am also hard at work on an essay for the forum which I still
>>plan
>>to complete (and I hope will be of some value to someone). I have yet to
>>decide whether I will continue on in the MF beyond this month (the MF, I'm
>>happy to say, seems to have retained its traditionally high quality of
>>discussion), but I'm done with MD for the foreseeable future.
>>
>>That's all. You may now resume the cacophony.
>>
>>take care,
>>rick.
>>
>>
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