From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Tue Jun 29 2004 - 02:12:21 BST
Hi Horse,
On 29 Jun 2004 at 0:28, Horse wrote:
Hi Mark
On 28 Jun 2004 at 11:51, Mark Steven Heyman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> According to the MOQ, does math exist at the bio level? I suggest
> that math came about when someone put an apple on a table and said
> "This represents ONEness. Then placed another apple on the table
> and said "This is TWOness." Then a peach and an orange were placed
> together on the table, and someone said "These also represent
> TWOness; TWOness is what these have in common with these", pointing
> to the pair of apples. Etc...
>
> I suggest "race" comes about in the same way. A person takes a
> particular set of human alleles together and says "This represents
> an African." A different set is pointed out, and called
> "Caucasian." A third set represents an "Aborigine."
And all of these sets are intellectual patterns of value not
biological patterns of value.
>
> I think these distinctions are abitrary human distinctions that
have
> no meaning at the bio level, just as math has no meaning there.
> These are human conventions. Just imagine the bio level BEFORE the
> human social level was laid upon it. Did race exist then?
I don't think it did
>
> Anyway, why doesn't someone just email Pirsig and ask him?
'Cos it's more fun trying to figure it out for ourselves - i.e.
philosophising.
msh says:
Yeah. I think so too. Sounds like it's you, dmb, gav, and me in a
TITANIC struggle with Dan and Platt. But I think Dan's teetering...
Best,
msh
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