From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Jun 29 2004 - 20:37:00 BST
Hi All
maybe the mistake is to think that
our experience/consciousness is in ourr heads.
Without the rock and the rest of the world there would
be nothing to see, touch, hear, etc. If our
experience is made of these things it is as much in the world
as in our heads.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Glover" <daneglover@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:31 AM
Subject: RE: MD are genes biological patterns of value?
> Hello everyone
>
> >From: gav <gav_gc@yahoo.com.au>
> >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> >Subject: MD are genes biological patterns of value?
> >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:23:18 +1000 (EST)
> >
> >i think we are on to something else that i find
> >difficult:
> >are genes biological patterns of value or are they
> >intellectual patterns? or are they both?
> >
> >gav has a stab:
> >does a gene exist physically? can you point to one? if
> >not then 'gene' is an abstract scientific concept
> >(intellectual)
> >
> >if genes do exist physically and are clearly
> >distinguishable then they could be seen as BVPs i
> >suppose.
> >
> >similar to the 'atom' question i think. do atoms exist
> >outside of our scientific picture of material reality?
> >
> >hmmmmmmm i dunno
>
> Hi Gav
>
> From what I understand, like atoms genes cannot be seen directly but are
> instead inferred through the use of scientific instruments. Genes and
atoms
> and everything we know of reality are concepts. Even the kitchen table
that
> my laptap is sitting on while I'm typing this is a concept. It is inferred
> through the use of my senses but I have no way of knowing if it is really
> there or not.
>
> Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
>
> Dan
>
> PS. There was an old monk traveling through a strange land. One day he
> stopped to eat by a large boulder but he had no provisions so he just sat
> looking up at the boulder. By and by a band of young monks happened along.
> They shared their meal with the old man and then they invited him to camp
> with them by the boulder. It was late in the day so the old man consented
> and thanked them many times for their generosity. Later that night a
> discussion broke out among the young men concerning the nature of
perception
> and whether what is seen is really there or just an illusion inside the
> mind. After listening to the discussion for some time, the old man pointed
> to the boulder and asked one of the young monks if the boulder was outside
> his head or within his head. Thinking for a moment, the young monk finally
> answered that the boulder was within his head. The old monk commented on
how
> heavy the boulder must be to carry around. Then he lay down and went to
> sleep.
>
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