From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Jul 06 2004 - 18:47:04 BST
Hi Wim
Feel free, how could a member of the freedom
and quality party object?
If we are serious about freedom we will have
to establish which freedoms are the most important,
that is to say most evolved or higher in the hierarchy of being.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wim Nusselder" <wim.nusselder@antenna.nl>
To: "MD" <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: MD Freedom and quality
> Dear David M.,
>
> You wrote 4 Jul 2004 19:51:13 +0100:
> 'If we wanted to start a political party that was compatible with the MOQ
> what would it be like? I would like to suggest we call it the freedom and
> quality party. What do we stand for?'
>
> Anthony wrote 4 Jul 2004 14:37:52 +0000:
> 'Pirsig reminding me (and Dr Harris) not to use Quality in the service of
> business a couple of times around 1999-2000 when Harris and I (together
with
> another post-graduate at Liverpool) seriously considered establishing some
> sort of MOQ Institute. As Pirsig said, business (of whatever form) must be
> subservient to the requirements of Quality.'
>
> Would the MoQ serve politics or would politics serve Quality? How can
> Quality be served if Quality is all there is? Would it serve DQ or sq or
> both? What level of sq? What patterns within those levels?
> Aren't all political parties serving some combination of DQ and sq?
> THE coherent combination or THE sweet spot to be served doesn't exist.
> Pretending it does (e.g. by naming it 'freedom and quality') implies
making
> DQ (emergent 5th level patterns of value) subservient to 4th level
> symbolism.
>
> I could tell you (and actually did tell you already) what I stand for and
> that it is compatible with the MoQ as I understand it. Just have a look at
> www.antenna.nl/wim.nusselder/schrijfsels/economics.htm . That's surely not
> the only political position that's compatible with the MoQ (if it is,
which
> at least David B. questions).
>
> 'Freedom and quality' is a good populist summary, though, referring to DQ
> and sq. Would you mind if I rewrote my 'economics of want and greed' into
an
> 'economics of freedom and quality'? (You may have noted that 'economics'
as
> I use it there encompasses 'politics'.)
>
> With friendly greetings,
>
> Wim
>
>
>
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