From: Chuck Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Mon Jul 12 2004 - 19:11:58 BST
Good Morning:
Thank you for the thoughtful response; I see something resembling clarity
off in the distance now; could be something else resembling clarity I
suppose. I'd like to addrress a point or two.
On 7/8 OMD Wrote:
"Not sure I agree with this. Once a person has been socialized, trained,
educated to be a member of a society, they tend to be mostly trustworthy for
most things, most of the time...even my dog is - not so much my cat.
I go to the store without fear of being knocked down by spontaneous mobs and
robbed. Most folks I see seem to live-and-let-live."
In response:
Fear of reprisals, I fear, motivates the majority to behave themselves
rather than socialization, training or education. Assuming that the result
of said education or socialization or training is an individual who
understands that behaving in a civil, honest and trustworthy manner--living
in harmony with all (one with everything!)?--is of highest Quality on both
an individual and wholistic level. It seems to me, if the majority of ,
say, Americans even considered living in such a way as to maximize Quality,
America would be a different place.
In a place where fear of reprisals is the prime motivation for behaving
oneself, most people will grab what they can while the Man has his back
turned. In such a place the jails will overflow; the waves in the ocean
occasionally wash used hypodermic needles onto the sand among less harmful
everyday refuse; guns for thugs will be prized over butter for the hungry;
the educators of that Societie's youth will be among the lowest paid and
least qualified and the populace will live with the constant background buzz
of fear, fear of foreign and domestic terrorism, fear of an overabundance of
predators and rapsits, fear of physical and material inadequacey visited on
such a society through images and sounds that make unimaginably, impossibly
big orbits the long way around the center of the universe: Quality.
Vacuous Materialism is a soccer mom in Newport Beach driving a Hummer.
And regarding you're dog and cat behaving civilly and not, respectfully: mu.
Best regards,
Chuck
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Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 2:23 PM
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Subject: Re: MD the metaphysics of free-enterprise
Blushing Severely...
Chuck Roghair:
> Hello All:
>
> Forgive my naiveté, but can an economic/political system in and of itself
> be qualified as "immoral"? The people who either elevate or manipulate
the
> system, aren't they the ones who deserve these labels? If so, does that
> change the focus of this discussion?
Your vision seems to be clear.
Not sure I agree with this. Once a person has been socialized, trained,
educated to be a member of a society, they tend to be mostly trustworthy for
most things, most of the time...even my dog is - not so much my cat.
I go to the store without fear of being knocked down by spontaneous mobs and
robbed. Most folks I see seem to live-and-let-live.
However, they can create or enforce the past establishment of institutions
that create immoral relationships. This implies a question.
Is slavery immoral? (Pretend it is not a stupid question for the moment.)
A society, L3 say Los Angeles, decides to dominate a biological group,
L2, say Blondes and utilize them as slaves. Is this a higher level
dominating a lower level? Sounds like it...
Why is this wrong under MoQ?
> To put it another way:is such a thing as a moral economic system possible
in
> practice? The general population sadly can't be trusted, not everyone,
> maybe not most. The extremes: compelling others to share everything or
> simply allowing the state to control everything are unacceptable choices
to
> all but the genuinely extreme among us, so aren't we left with what we've
> got aside from fiddling with nuances here and there now and again?
Not sure I agree with this. Once a person has been socialized, trained,
educated to be a member of a society, they tend to be mostly trustworthy
for most things, most of the time...even my dog is - not so much my cat.
I go to the store without fear of being knocked down by spontaneous
mobs and robbed. Most folks I see seem to live-and-let-live.
>
> Free enterprise is not without its flaws, but I can't recall the last time
> anyone forced vacuous materialism on me. Materialism is an individual
> choice and not necessarily evil so long as it's tempered with a spiritual
> rudder.
Vacuous materialism sounds a little like Saturday morning TV
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