Re: MD the metaphysics of self-interest

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon Jul 12 2004 - 20:03:06 BST

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    Hi

    How about indillectual or intevidual?

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>; <owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk>
    Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:35 PM
    Subject: RE: MD the metaphysics of self-interest

    > Hi Paul
    >
    > > Platt said:
    > > I've suggested changing the name of Pirsig's Intellectual Level to the
    > > Individual Level.
    > >
    > > Paul:
    > > I've thought about this, and I can't see how it would work. A simple
    > > example is when you look at defining characteristics of static
    > > intellectual quality, such as:
    > >
    > > "Intellectual quality measurements are logic, fittingness to empirical
    > > data, economy of statement, and what is sometimes called 'elegance' by
    > > mathematicians." [Pirsig, MOQ Textbook]
    >
    > > ...what does this have to do with an individual?
    >
    > Ideally, all the activities you describe (using logic, fitting to
    > empirical data, making economical statements, identifying "elegance") are
    > done independently of social level values. A high value at the
    > intellectual level is "objectivity, that is, freedom from society's
    > influence. By contrast, groups, almost by definition, never act
    > independently of others.
    >
    > > Why would philosophy, mathematics, theology, geometry etc. be defined as
    > > "individual patterns" instead of "intellectual patterns"?
    >
    > Because they were all once created by individuals responding to DQ. As
    > Pirsig said, "A tribe can change its values only person by person and
    > someone has to be first." The patterns you cite are also dealt with person
    > by person, Pirsig being a fine example in the philosophy category.
    >
    > The main advantage to renaming the intellectual level the individual level
    > is to reinforce the higher morality of the intellectual order of
    > "democracy, trial by jury, freedom of speech, freedom of the press" (not
    > to mention free enterprise) over conformist social order.
    >
    > Thanks for the question.
    >
    > Best,
    > Platt
    >
    >
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