From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sun Jul 18 2004 - 22:05:50 BST
Hi Mark
Herrigal as student is searching for intellectual metaphors to describe that
which he doesn't understand. "Purposeless tension" implies great patience, a
stillness awaiting interuption. Yet remember that when the student Herrigal
during his "off season" worked until he perfected his archery practice, the
master threw him out and refused to teach him. Can you tell me why?
Mark 18c-7-04: Imagine EH standing holding his bow waiting for the shot? Add
to this the rest of the Universe - all of it. Now apply DQ-sq division. At
what points in this Universe is DQ acting? At those points where balance is 'just
so.'
There may be many of them, and in varying degrees. But the best ones, as far
as the MOQ understands, involve the most recently evolved patterns: Humans.
How more free can a Human be?
EH insulted the master by relying on habit. In, 'A river runs through it' the
narrator says a fly fisher must be worthy to catch a fish. If a fly fisher
fishes by habit, he/she is not paying respect to the art. It does not matter
what the art is - all art is about DQ.
I can't
>help it
>Dan, that's the way i think these days.
Dan:
That's ok. This too shall pass. Remember: "If he does really stick to
symbols that have no reference to the experienced world, the logician is not
going to say anything meaningful." (Robert Pirsig, Copleston annotations)
Mark 18c-7-04: I don't understand what you mean by, "That's ok. This too
shall pass."
Dan:
The
MOQ starts with experience. The meaningful act of experience isn't divided
up into a bunch of sq and a bunch of sq, that all happens later. Aren't you
just substituting sq/sq for subject and object, by the way?
Mark 18c-7-04: I'm getting that sinking feeling one gets when one begins to
realise that one is talking to oneself Dan. Coherence takes into account all sq
patterns in the MOQ, just as the MOQ describes all sq patterns and adds DQ to
the whole show.
Dan:
Sure reads that
way to me.
Mark 18c-7-04: Maybe you want it to read that way Dan?
Dan:
You might want to look into getting that fixed before it gets
worse. There is no "I" hitting a "golf ball." There is just the act, the
experience. Afterwards I intellectually divide the act up into "me" as
static quality and the golf ball as static quality.
Mark 18c-7-04: In order to communicate with you i have to use our common
language. This language is as it is. However, i rather hoped you would understand
the underlying philosophy behind the language is MOQ driven.
Does Lila not use the same language you and i are using now Dan?
Hypothetical example: Mark uses the word, 'material.' Mark understands
material as, 'Inorganic patterns of sq.' Dan clobbers Mark for SOM speak and
dividing experience into subjects and (material) objects.
Dan:
Thank you for your comments,
Dan
Mark 18c-7-04: And thank you for your comments also.
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