From: Arlo Bensinger (ajb102@psu.edu)
Date: Tue Jul 20 2004 - 18:59:38 BST
Hi David,
At 06:38 17/07/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Arlo
>
>Is not agape required for us to act
>more intellectually and with more
>consideration of values, good, quality,
>hence love is that value that enable one
>to recognise the quality in others, and the
>world.
Hmmm.... I'd say instead that Philia is that value that enables one to
recognize the quality in others, and Agape is the that value that enables
one to see quality in the world. (Eros, then, is the value that enables one
to recognize quality in biology).
Maybe, in more MOQ terms, "Philia" is a response to social quality. "Agape"
is a response to Intellectual Quality, "Eros" is a response to biological
quality.
>Is hate something to do with
>the failure of the other to recognise our/my
>quality?
I think if we separate out love into "eros, philia, agape" (for each of the
MOQ levels, except "inorganic"), "hate" (as we are talking about it) seems
to me to be, as you imply here, the antithesis of philia, and in our
vocabulary has less (if anything) to do with eros or agape.
I don't know if I'd characterize it as a "failure of the other to
recognize", because this implies to me passivity. I'd say "hate" is the
persistent belief in the low quality of the other despite the presence of
contradictory or disputive evidence.
>Even when the virus kills us when
>can be conscious of its quality, but we may
>value our own quality more and kill it first.
But we don't "hate" it, do we? Or is this what you mean when you say....
>Hate is linked to a narrow and local perspective
>that does not see the interaction/conflict of different
>levels of SQ as necessary and containing quality
>at some level if not at all levels.
By understanding the quality-as-perceived by the germ, we would no longer
"hate" the germ, even as we admitted to valuing our Quality higher, right?
>The tiger has quality
>and beauty, but we kill it if it threatens the quality
>of human life. But can we resolve these conflicts from
>love rather than out of hate?
Hmmm... I think, in this example, if we reached a true state of
understanding the tiger's quality, we would work to find ways to allow to
tiger to continue while protecting us from the tiger. Killing the tiger,
would be an absolute last, but necessary step, if no other solution could
be reached. Thus I would think that resolving the conflict out of love
would look for other alternatives first prior to a last solution killing of
the tiger.
Arlo
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