From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Mon Aug 02 2004 - 21:08:53 BST
Hi Mel, Paul, DavidM, and all,
mel:
Just as contrast from a second light source helps sharpen images in
photography, so to does the technique of an outside confirmation of
an operational mechanism help strip unneeded steps away in arriving
at the core of a thing you are studying. (This mechanism gave us us
calculus from algebra.)
msh asks:
By "us" I guess you mean Newton or Liebniz. Could you expand on how
"the technique of an outside confirmation of an operational
mechanism" helped either of them invent the Calculus? This might
help me understand what you're getting at.
paul:
>Is it that intellectual argument about the MOQ's finer points is
>"insignificant decoration?"
mel:
The insignificant decoration I refer to is the Static Accumulation
concomitant with intellection on nearly any subject. Universities
are full of people who make careers of placing the decoration on any
branch of knowledge and pretending they are contributing
significantly to the body of knowledge.
msh says:
Curious anti-academic trend here, Mel. People at Universities are
also responsible for tremendous contributions to knowledge. And the
"decoration" you speak of exists to a much higher degree in other
areas of life, in politics or advertising, for example, which are
just about 100% pure decoration, IMO.
paul:
>Are (some of) our discussions holding the MOQ back?
mel:
Only when we bog down in personal ideologies, but on the whole
I'd say quite the opposite. We are still reaching for fluency as
individuals until we "GET IT", then we should burn everything we've
written to avoid creating a DOGMA of Quality.
msh says:
Not sure I agree with your pejorative sense of "personal ideologies,"
and wonder why you're interested to convey it. Any system of thought
is an ideology, even the MOQ.
Is this related to your idea of the undesirability of "hot-button"
issues? For me, if a metaphyisics is not useful in real-world
problem clarification and solution, then spending a lot of time
discussing it is, well, ego-driven at least, if not pure intellectual
self-gratification.
mel:
Moving from SOM to MoQ is a pretty tectonic shift in the world
view we are taught to hold. Staring out my window this morning,
while sitting at a red light, I looked out at the bank and shopping
mall. I thought how little I get MoQ in daily life and the bricks
and mortar at which I stared and the institutions supporting them
would have no appreciation of the MoQ distinctions.
msh says:
I agree completely. What would someone who has completely broken
away from SOM be like, I wonder.
Thanks,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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