JoVo, my emphasis on my websites is more on what is BEHIND these typologies
IOW each typology is 'different' in the way descriptions are expressed but
behind them all is a methodology that is, at the general level, the SAME in
all of the our species.
Understand THAT level and all else is seen as particularisations,
localisations, of a general form of categorisations.
This includes converting dichotomy-derived to trichotomy-derived and the
reverse...
best,
Chris.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
> [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Johannes Volmert
> Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2000 3:26
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Subject: Re: MD: JoVo, Enneagram and MOQ
>
>
> Hi Danila, Hi All,
>
> Thanks for your reply; I enjoyed very much!
>
> JoVo had written:
>
> [...]
> > Now what I see in every human society all over the world and in
> all periods
> > of time, is the existence of the hang-loose type on the one hand and the
> > orderly one on the other hand, the latter the 'hang-stiff'
> type, to keep in
> > this picture. The hang-loose type has a bigger number of
> intervaluations
> > to hers/his social (and other) surroundings and hers/his
> sensing-canals are
> > more open to input,
> > thus the intervaluation is, what I call 'low-grade'. That means that
> > hers/his perception is more fuzzy and less distinct, than that of the
> > hang-stiff type. She/he also is distinguishing herself/himself as less
> > distinct from hers/his environment, than his complement.
> >
> > You can't say, the one is the better human being and the other the worse
> > human being, they both have their function. The hang-loose type is
> > searching for and sensing for new ideas, but is not working them out but
> > handing them over to the hang-stiff type, whose job -
> concerning society -
> > it is to sort this material out and through, and integrate it to 'THE
> > intellectual pattern of value', i.e. the knowledge of mankind
> so to say. Of
> > course there is no 100 percent hang-loose or hang-stiff type,
> but there are
> > extreme cases at both poles.
>
>
> DANILA has answered:
>
> I agree that both kinds of person are necessary, and no person is 100%.
>
> The Enneagram is a system of nine personality types that I find
> very useful.
>
> In the Enneagram, your "hang-loose" type correlates to healthy levels of
> the intuitive Type 4 and the logical, analytical Type 5. Your
> "hang-stiff"
> type correlates to Type 6 (the bureaucratic personality) and to
> some degree
> to Type 3 (the professional motivated by social status), and also to the
> many people of other types who are not able to fulfill their
> potential and
> are stuck in routine jobs.
>
> However, there are 5 other types. You see they all can be understood from
> the point of view of MOQ: Type 1 (the self-righteous idealist)
> also brings
> DQ into society by pushing an idea strongly, but they have a much clearer
> idea of the consequences than Type 4 or Type 5. Type 2 is the
> loving mother
> type, with the most intervaluations between biology and social
> levels. They
> 'cement' the basis of society. Type 7 is the restless
> pleasure-seeker, who
> brings in DQ of any kind to social and biological life, they
> don't care as
> long as they're feeling the DQ (many salesmen and top business executives
> are like this). Type 8 is the dominating personality, many political
> leaders are this type: they only care about SOCIAL value
> patterns but they
> need to use INTELLECTUAL value patterns provided by others
> (mostly Types 4
> and 5) to help them keep power and keep society from falling apart (or
> becoming stagnant). Type 9 is the passive mystic who wants
> static patterns
> to continue so that s/he can get in touch with pure DQ.
>
> As we see, JoVo is right that different people BY THEIR NATURE have
> different relationships to DQ. This is one of the main attractions of the
> MOQ to me: it doesn't set an ideal personality or ideology or way of
> thinking that EVERYONE should try to achieve; MOQ is mostly descriptive,
> and when it is prescriptive it allows that INTELLECTUAL patterns must not
> destroy their host, society, which is the ground of all human life.
>
> Sincerely,
> Danila
>
>
> JoVo answers:
>
> I completely agree, that there are other types also and more
> maybe found in
> future. This theory I offered has, to me personally, old roots and more
> specified characteristics I have seen, just after joining the MoQ (former
> LilaSquad) in '98. About a year ago, Mr. "two-language" Matt
> Coughlan postet on
> this list a link leading to the Keirsey homepage and the Keirsey
> test also.
> After doing this test and reading all articles from Keirsey
> himself, I realized
> that besides this fits very well in my idea, most of the shown
> Types had dynamic
> as well as static characteristics in different proportion and
> that they all
> together 'move' society. On Chris Loftings homepage, there are
> also those Types
> you mentioned.
>
> For certain reasons I'm planning to write a longer essay on the
> above topic and
> decided to choose as the title (working-concept and sounds better
> in german,
> perhaps) "No man of a measure" . Therefore I liked very much your last
> paragraph, in which you claim the right of everyone to choose a
> life that is
> best for her/him and follows hers/his nature (without destroying
> society of
> course).
>
> Thanks for you attention,
>
> regards,
>
> JoVo
>
>
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