Hi Danila, Hi All,
Thanks for your reply; I enjoyed very much!
JoVo had written:
[...]
> Now what I see in every human society all over the world and in all periods
> of time, is the existence of the hang-loose type on the one hand and the
> orderly one on the other hand, the latter the 'hang-stiff' type, to keep in
> this picture. The hang-loose type has a bigger number of intervaluations
> to hers/his social (and other) surroundings and hers/his sensing-canals are
> more open to input,
> thus the intervaluation is, what I call 'low-grade'. That means that
> hers/his perception is more fuzzy and less distinct, than that of the
> hang-stiff type. She/he also is distinguishing herself/himself as less
> distinct from hers/his environment, than his complement.
>
> You can't say, the one is the better human being and the other the worse
> human being, they both have their function. The hang-loose type is
> searching for and sensing for new ideas, but is not working them out but
> handing them over to the hang-stiff type, whose job - concerning society -
> it is to sort this material out and through, and integrate it to 'THE
> intellectual pattern of value', i.e. the knowledge of mankind so to say. Of
> course there is no 100 percent hang-loose or hang-stiff type, but there are
> extreme cases at both poles.
DANILA has answered:
I agree that both kinds of person are necessary, and no person is 100%.
The Enneagram is a system of nine personality types that I find very useful.
In the Enneagram, your "hang-loose" type correlates to healthy levels of
the intuitive Type 4 and the logical, analytical Type 5. Your "hang-stiff"
type correlates to Type 6 (the bureaucratic personality) and to some degree
to Type 3 (the professional motivated by social status), and also to the
many people of other types who are not able to fulfill their potential and
are stuck in routine jobs.
However, there are 5 other types. You see they all can be understood from
the point of view of MOQ: Type 1 (the self-righteous idealist) also brings
DQ into society by pushing an idea strongly, but they have a much clearer
idea of the consequences than Type 4 or Type 5. Type 2 is the loving mother
type, with the most intervaluations between biology and social levels. They
'cement' the basis of society. Type 7 is the restless pleasure-seeker, who
brings in DQ of any kind to social and biological life, they don't care as
long as they're feeling the DQ (many salesmen and top business executives
are like this). Type 8 is the dominating personality, many political
leaders are this type: they only care about SOCIAL value patterns but they
need to use INTELLECTUAL value patterns provided by others (mostly Types 4
and 5) to help them keep power and keep society from falling apart (or
becoming stagnant). Type 9 is the passive mystic who wants static patterns
to continue so that s/he can get in touch with pure DQ.
As we see, JoVo is right that different people BY THEIR NATURE have
different relationships to DQ. This is one of the main attractions of the
MOQ to me: it doesn't set an ideal personality or ideology or way of
thinking that EVERYONE should try to achieve; MOQ is mostly descriptive,
and when it is prescriptive it allows that INTELLECTUAL patterns must not
destroy their host, society, which is the ground of all human life.
Sincerely,
Danila
JoVo answers:
I completely agree, that there are other types also and more maybe found in
future. This theory I offered has, to me personally, old roots and more
specified characteristics I have seen, just after joining the MoQ (former
LilaSquad) in '98. About a year ago, Mr. "two-language" Matt Coughlan postet on
this list a link leading to the Keirsey homepage and the Keirsey test also.
After doing this test and reading all articles from Keirsey himself, I realized
that besides this fits very well in my idea, most of the shown Types had dynamic
as well as static characteristics in different proportion and that they all
together 'move' society. On Chris Loftings homepage, there are also those Types
you mentioned.
For certain reasons I'm planning to write a longer essay on the above topic and
decided to choose as the title (working-concept and sounds better in german,
perhaps) "No man of a measure" . Therefore I liked very much your last
paragraph, in which you claim the right of everyone to choose a life that is
best for her/him and follows hers/his nature (without destroying society of
course).
Thanks for you attention,
regards,
JoVo
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