ELEPHANT TO CHRIS:
No, Chris, I've not run away. More if you need it. I was simply saying
that I had now said everthing I could think of to say on the bizare idea
that judgements are determined by "oscillations" in the brain hemispheres,
and the plain dumb idea that something is continuous when it is a long
series. I can think of new ways to point these things out if necessary.
Will it be necessary?
There will come a time when I have to let you say "scaredy cat! scaredy
cat!" at my back as I walk away in despairation and boredom. We're not
quite there yet because I'm still annoyed with your whole approach.
Pzeph,
(Off to anger management classes in the morning)
> From: "Chris Lofting" <ddiamond@ozemail.com.au>
> Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:33:40 +1100
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Subject: RE: MD the particular, the general, EITHER/OR, BOTH/AND
>
> E you chickened out! :-) predictable in the context of my sending you
> reference material IOW somebody elses words not mine but you dont/wont read
> them ... and you come up with rubbish re neocortical function etc tsk tsk
> what a cop out. you should be ashamed of yourself .. but then I suppose if
> you have spent so much time refining a position to then have it threatened
> ... well .. I suppose you have to back away dont you. Pity. If you dont like
> my writing or understand it etc well then at LEAST read the references ...
> none of which are sourced to me so I have not 'infected' them :-) For work
> on hemisphere functions and frequency processing see the refs (or even --
> shock horror! try and READ carfully, if need be many times)
> http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting/general.html as well as the refs I included
> on my email. Make the effort, open your eyes, ears etc BURN Plato and all
> texts and start again working from what we now know as to how we process
> information, how we can live illusions/delusions etc and what can develop
> from that.
>
> To get an idea you need to 'kill' history, kill the feedback processes 'in
> here', there is too much of it and it is drowning understanding (as well as
> the court systems where an ever increasing amount of precedence is
> paralysing court decisions etc -- need to cull some things... :-)) Note that
> this implies more discernment.
>
> This is not my 'junk' science, it is all 'good' science, perhaps you prefer
> to call it junk due to the connotations of some of the work re values etc
> but then you have your agenda.
>
> Me? well I just point to patterns behind the words and that includes the
> structuring of MOQ etc
> I demonstrate (if you bothered to read carefully) HOW we find meaning,
> create meaning and with that senses of value etc
>
> For example the I Ching (Book of Changes) has been a strong influence on
> Eastern thought, especially Chinese, Korean, Japanese. It is 'respected', it
> is seen to have 'value' and be 'of quality' but the failure has been to not
> (or to refuse) to go behind it and see how it could be created.
>
>> From CURRENT neurological and psychological research we can start to
> identify the source of these sorts of belief systems, how these metaphors
> are interpreted literally.
>
> BUT to appreciate it you need to do some background reading -- I have given
> you refs and you seem to reject them or refuse to read them -- that to me
> shows FEAR, a concern with change, a NEED to retain one's position
> regardless of 'truths'. Very 'object' thinking, very 'us' vs 'them',
> archetypal, classical perspective. Nothing wrong with it other than it can
> cause problems if you try and take it beyond its place.
>
> Philosophy without understanding how we function as a species, how we
> process data and develop, is illusion, you might as well read entrails...
> TAKE THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING INBETWEEN YOUR EARS. READ THE
> REFS at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond/brefs.html
>
> Get into the summary material (e.g. LEFT BRAIN, RIGHT BRAIN now in its 5th
> edition). Look at Scott-Kelso's "DYNAMIC PATTERNS" dealing with
> complexity/chaos 'in here'. Go through the Spencer-Brown and Kaufmann/Varela
> refs, Go to Jack Pedigrew's site re hemisphere switching -- FIND THINGS OUT
> rather than giving me crap like "Anyway, I thought all this left/right
> business went out of fashion years ago."
>
> This sort of remark to me shows an amazing degree of ignorance from a person
> who seems to try and present themselves as 'refined' and 'of quality' --
> GROW UP! you have a good mind, dont waste away with it.
>
> MAKE THE TIME. FORGET READING PLATO FOR THE Nth TIME -- HE LACKS PRECISION
> and as such can CLOUD thinking. Move up 2000 years with a clear mind; the
> ancients did good jobs with the tools they had but to maintain them, to
> present them as if 'superior' to now shows total ignorance; it shows a sort
> of NEED to retain identity through understanding antiques.
>
> If you burn them then over time the same qualitative elements will
> re-emerge, the sense of quality is not lost other than that reflected in the
> particular but that particular only retains its quality as long as it is
> remembered .. and then that memory gets passed on the other generations and
> it all becomes 'traditional', we lose sight of the original intent, the
> original determination of quality.
>
> As you can see I think your note was full of 'rubbish' (as you seemed to
> find mine) except that mine pointed to REAL EVENTS happening NOW and they
> are USEFUL in understanding, in helping us to move on.
>
> Antiques are useful in establishing a sense of quality, they help us with
> learning discernment but there is NO WAY you can fully appreciate what is
> going on 'in here' without understanding the neurosciences work and that
> included observing the expressions we use to describe object/relationships
> interactions (aka the WHAT/WHERE dichotomy -- you are not familiar with it?
> READ THE REFS -- FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF).
>
> Chris.
> ------------------
> Chris Lofting
> websites:
> http://www.eisa.net.au/~lofting
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond
>
>
>
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