Hello everyone
>From: 3dwavedave <dlt44@ipa.net>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD Self, Free/Determinism : a short essay (again... ;)
>Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:10:00 -0500
>
>Dan, Rog
>
>Rog
> > >We don't experience DQ. DQ is experience, including that experience of
> > >deriving and dividing this experience into that which is interpreted as
>the
> > >self, or the voluntary self, or the song.
> > >
> > >Similar, but different.....
>
> Dan
> > Hi Roger
> >
> > Yes, similar but different...but I fail to find references in Lila that
> > support your thesis pertaining to Dynamic Quality being experience. If
>you
> > have time, could you provide a few pertinent quotes to chew on so we can
>see
> > how they taste?
> >
>
>3WD
>
>I sort of agree with Roger's inversion of, "We don't experience DQ. DQ
>is experience" but would expand it to "We don't experience Quality,
>Quality is experience" Which is what Pirsig as much as says in these
>quotes:
>
>" With the identification of static and Dynamic Quality as the
>fundamental division of the world....the Metaphysics of Quality now
>covered the spectrum of experience from primitive mysticism to quantum
>mechanics." Lila-pp 120
>
>"Although Dynamic Quality, the Quality of freedom, creates this world in
>which we live, these patterns of static quality, the quality of order,
>preserve our world. Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive
>without the other." pg. 143
>
>That being said if experience is always "now" these quotes could be
>interpreted as Rog does:
>
>"Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, the
>source of all things, completely simple and always new." Lila pg. 133
>
>" Dynamic Quality is a stream of quality events going on for ever and
>ever, always the cutting edge of the present. But in the wake of this
>cutting edge are static patterns of value. These are memories, customs
>and patterns of nature. The reason there is a difference between
>individidual evaluations of quality is that although Dynamic Quality is
>constant, these static patterns are different for everyone because each
>person has a different static pattern of life history. Both the Dynamic
>Quality and the static patterns influence his final judgement. That is
>why their is some uniformity among individual value judgements but not
>complete uniformity." SODV pp 12-13
>
>I'm starting to come to the position that "the split" is not really a
>split at all. That the stable patterns and the dynamic stream are both
>simutaneously present and experienced. And just how they both are
>experienced is in part dependent upon the experiencer.
Hi Dave
I think the inversion Phaedrus uses is Lila doesn't have Quality, Quality
has Lila. Quality is experience and the first cut of experience is that
which is better (Dynamic Quality). I do see what you're saying though, that
this "split" is not a split at all, but I would say all we experience is
static quality. We respond to Dynamic Quality through those experiences. Or
perhaps "it" responds to us.
Thank you for your reply.
Dan
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