Hello everyone
>From: RISKYBIZ9@aol.com
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD Self, Free/Determinism : a short essay (again... ;)
>Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:33:38 EDT
>
>Hi Dan,
>
>DAN:
>Yes, similar but different...but I fail to find references in Lila that
>support your thesis pertaining to Dynamic Quality being experience. If you
>have time, could you provide a few pertinent quotes to chew on so we can
>see
>how they taste?
>
>ROG:
>Thanks for asking. Below are a few of the better examples.....
>
>On P75 of the paperback, prior to the DQ/sq split, Mr Pirsig mentions that
>value is the "essence of experience," and that the Quality (of stove
>sitting)
>"is an experience". And on the next page that "The value itself is an
>experience."
>
>On P118 he writes that "Reality, which is value, is understood by every
>infant. It is a universal starting place of experience..."
>
>On P133 he references DQ as the "front edge of his experience."
>
>On P137, the entire baby story and the inference of subjects and objects
>deals with DQ as experience.
>
>On P418, he writes that "The MOQ says pure experience is value." On the
>next
>page he clarifies that DQ is "...direct everyday experience." and that
>"Through this identification of pure value with pure experience, the MOQ
>paves the way for an enlarged way of looking at experience..."
>
>All of this is of course just an extension of similar ideas which are
>rampant
>throughout ZMM. Also, Pirsig admits his MOQ is an extension of James'
>Radical Empiricism, which is most assuredly about pure experience being the
>dynamic and flowing base of reality from which static subjects and objects
>are derived.
>
>Hope this helps.....
Hi Roger
Thank you for your reply. I have no quarrel with experience as value.
However, I looked on page 419 and I still don't see where Phaedrus says
Dynamic Quality is experience. He states: "It (the MOQ) is a form of
pragmatism...It adds that this good is not a social code or some
intellectualized Hegelian Absolute. It is direct everyday experience."
On page 164 Phaedrus states: "But Dynamic Quality is not structured yet it
is not chaotic."
Without structure there can be no experience. If Dynamic Quality is not
structured I still fail to see how it can be equated with experience other
than at the cutting edge, leaving static quality patterns of value in its
wake which we call experience. I am not sure it is improper to say Dynamic
Quality is experience taken from a certain context but it seems rather
confusing too. At least it confuses me.
Dan
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