Re: MD Re: A Fifth Level

From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Thu Aug 16 2001 - 19:04:36 BST


In a message dated 8/16/01 8:09:48 AM GMT Daylight Time,
beasley@austarnet.com.au writes:

<< I am currently reading Ken Wilber's 'Sex,
 Ecology, Spirituality', and thought his description of Vision Logic (or
 Planetary Logic) might be a trigger for more focused debate. It may also
 have something to say about the subject/object divide that so concerned
 Pirsig. >>

Am i being cynical here?
But any book with the word sex in it's title is going to sell a few more
copies?
My first book, 'Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex,' is expected to
shift a few units.
The follow up, 'More sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex,
sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex,' will no doubt capitalise upon the
law of diminishing returns.

The central core of the quotes you provide John, seem rather close to Bohm's
'Wholeness and the implicate order.'
Reality is explicit, but implied by every fractured splinter of reality.
I guess this notion sprung from quantum physics?
If one substitutes Quality for the implicit order and Static patterns for the
explicit order, then we can see Bohm and Pirsig struggling with the same
thing.
...As with Ken Wilbur.
Holons look rather like static or explicit patterns; these entities are
fractured but imply the whole or mediate Quality.

What goes around comes around no?

Technology will provide a unity where reason divides.
The problem here is that it all begins to sound sci-fi and fantastic; but
fact is stranger than fiction?
Ask Arthur C. Clarke!
A fifth level is likely to be alive and an evolving entity of its own; as
such, intellect may have no idea or way of conceptualising what the hell is
going on.

Ken Wilbur's ideas remind me of a character form Asimov's, 'Foundation and
Earth.'
The second foundation began to discover the robot world of Gaia and the
female robot 'Bliss' slowly introduced the concept of a global robotic
conciousness to the first foundation members she was travelling with.
The idea was to move towards Galactica - a Galactic consciousness.
(Assuming Human free will gave the go-ahead, because the 3 laws + the Zeroth
law could not decide!)
Towards the end of his life, Asimov became more and more fascinated with
Gaia, chaos theory and global consciousness.
Maybe he felt an intuitive pull towards 'something' ahead?
There was also allot more Human/robot sex in his later work!

Sorry, i could not resist the sex thing.
Squonk. :-)

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