Hi Rasheed,
> here's the history lesson i recently received, maybe you can get something
out of it too. it's from the BBC News Website:
>
> 'The hawkish leader of Israel's opposition Likud Party, Ariel Sharon is
for Palestinians mainly associated with the massacre of hundreds of
Palestinian civilians in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in Beirut 18
years ago. [snip]
I'm glad to see that you made the effort to find the facts, and they accord
with what I recall.
>
> Blood-tainted past
>
Definitely, but rather less so than you stated on Thursday 20th Sept (your
post from 21st Sept, Wednesday evening your time):
>>This is the guy that ordered the entire massacre of specifically
>>the women and children of a Palestinian village years ago.
Please note that your allegation is much more severe than the BBC version:
> Mr Sharon was removed from office in 1983 by an Israeli tribunal
investigating the 1982
> Lebanon invasion, finding him indirectly responsible for the killings.'
>
Iit is outrageous to claim (without evidence) that Sharon "ordered" the
massacre. He wasn't even charged with knowingly allowing the massacre.
People are angry at him for his negligence. In his position of
responsibility, he failed to foresee the inherent dangers of allowing a
Lebanese Phallangist armed force to enter a Palestinian refugee camp.
And because of Sharon's past, many Israelis (me included) dreaded the
thought of him coming back to high office. However, I am forced to admit
that he seems to be handling his job much better than I expected. Maybe he
has learned something over the last few years.
> And for the record, i also stated in my post (one of the parts you
snipped) that this wasn't a question of right or wrong anymore. Even so, i
am still entitled to my belief, as you are entitled to yours.
>
I'm glad that we both hold this value as sacred. I dare say that we agree
about a great many things.
> PS And why did you decide to slam Norway out of nowhere for something
they did 60 years ago? > Do you judge Germany for what they did in 1942? i
would certainly hope not.
It wasn't really out of nowhere. Gerhard's attack on Israel was mean and
hypocritical, and my attack on Norway's shameful past was aimed at Gerhard
personally to expose his hypocrisy. There are so many kinds of problem
people like Gerhard around, but the ones who go around posing as moralists
are the worst. Cost-free morals. Full of ways for others to improve without
any expense to themselves. There's an ego thing in there, too. They use
morals to make someone else look inferior and that way look better
themselves. It doesn't matter what the moral code is-- religious morals,
political morals, racist morals, capitalist morals, feminist morals, hippie
morals -- they're all the same. The moral codes change but the meanness and
the egotism stay the same.
(Text cribbed from a novel without the author's permission - I assume he'd
understand).
Take care,
Jonathan
BTW Rasheed, what did you think of the Bob Dylan poem?
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