Hi Rick,
you make good points. I've posted a message to the MF forum about this MF
Apathy, and probably we agree on something.
The only fact that you, Jonathan, me, Keith and others are offering comments
about the future of MF IMO means that we are not completely disinterested to
it.
I invite all the interested people to MF to enter the discussion on that
forum, that is apparently unmoderated this month. Should we close that
experience, or relaunch it in some way?
bye,
Marco
----- Original Message -----
From: "Valence" <valence10@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:10 AM
Subject: MD MF Apathy
> Oops, I accidentally sent this with the wrong thread title... ignore the
> other one.
>
> Hey,
> I thought I sent this post a week ago, but it never seemed to come
> through....
>
> > KEITH:
> > > We appear to be having an acute attack of chronic apathy. I deduce
this
> > from
> > > having received only 1 topic suggestion for next month (and only 1
post
> > for
> > > this last month, which did not make it to the list for various
reasons).
> > > Since it's pointless to have a vote when there's only once choice, I
> will
> > > hold off on the call for votes for a day and offer the following
> > alternative
> > > meta-topic:
> > >
> JON:
> > > What should we do to revitalize the MOQ_Focus mailing list?
> > Actually, it might be more useful to discuss WHY this forum is virtually
> > dead while the unmoderated sister list is thriving - I believe that it
has
> a
> > lot to do with the whole relationship between dynamic and static. I sort
> of
> > proposed this a discussion topic some months ago, but nobody picked up
on
> > it.
>
>
> I think blaming the failure of the moderated forum on "the
relationship
> between dynamic and static" would be like me blaming the ants in my
> apartment on Darwinian evolution... it may be right in a sense, but why go
> that far when the answers are so much simpler than that??? I think the
> problem is better compared to the relationship between mud and a tire....
> that is, you can only spin your wheels without getting anywhere for so
long.
> The moderated forum, as I recall, was added to get greater focus on
> topics in an effort to help us actually cut some ground, but it never
> happened. The "focus" topics are no different than any of the topics
> offered in the "discuss" forum... in fact, the only articulable difference
> between the two forums is that one has a single topic, the other has many.
> In fact, since posting to the MD is instant, and posting to MF is
> delayed 24 hours and limited to one post a day, there's no reason why any
> topic discussed in MF couldn't be discussed in MD, only faster and more
> conveniently (and without having to waste the time of someone playing
> moderator--- after all, if a post is irrelevant is no good, everyone would
> just ignore it anyway... right?).
> "Focus" produced no additional agreement on MoQ (as I've pointed out
> several times in the past, very few of us even agree on the most basic
> tenets of the MoQ), and it produced no additional results. Now, while one
> may classify this as a problem "static latching" which has to do with "the
> relationship between dynamic and static", that's just fancy MoQ speak for
> the fact that "focus" has delivered no RESULTS... Basically, understanding
> what's wrong with the "focus" forum is as easy as this... No advancements,
> no improvements, no agreement, no results = No customers.
> Until there's more agreement, (and IMHO, codification) as to what the
> basic propositions of the MoQ are, there is literally no point in trying
to
> discuss its more exotic aspects, its perspective on current or historical
> events, its relationship to other philosophical ideas or its
> extension/revision. As we, ourselves, have proved with MF, it will always
> just be more spinning in the mud.
> rick
>
>
>
>
>
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