Denis, Bo, Marco
The Intellectual giant idea is something that makes me think with regards
to the MOQ. Looking at the MOQ on an individual level it is a lot harder to
test if the MOQ is transcendent to a new level, but as a giant, it might be
easier to tell. It could be proven to be a "greater giant" if it unifies
many intellectual patterns into one single "mystical" pattern. Similarly to
how a social system unifies many people into one social pattern.
I think by this definition, the SOLAQI definition of the MOQ still applies,
although in order to test this, it would require other intellectual patterns
to be seen as converging into it. Eastern and Western metaphysics could be
seen as converging here, but I, as an individual have no ability to judge
this coming fromt he West. Althouth SOM would only be one of the
intellectual giants that make up the Q-intellect level of the MOQ, the SOM
would still define the Q-intellect, for a westerner.
Just a thought,
Rob
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From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Platt Holden
Sent: December 12, 2001 3:18 PM
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: Re: MD Has Pirsig created a new disguise for SOM ?
Hi Denis, Bo, All:
I don't mean to butt in here but I can't help but get out the ax I've been
grinding since the beginning that a fifth level, if there is one, has got to
have something to do with esthetics. The following from Denis where
he makes a judgment about an intellectual pattern from an undefined
"intellectual esthetic sense" seems to me to be solid evidence of the
existence of such a higher level. I don't think one can very well sustain
an argument that our esthetic sense is entirely a matter of intellectual
or social conditioning or latched to the biological or inorganic levels. To
borrow a Wilberism, our sense of beauty seems to "transcend but
include" the other levels. But, I could be wrong.
Platt
Denis writes:
> This "vision-logic" is a higher stage of development of an individual's
> intellect, just as a planetary system is a higher stage of development of
a
> stellar cloud of gas. But the patterns are, IMHO, still respectively
> intellectual and inorganic. Of course, this is a matter of intellectual
> esthetic sense. I find more beauty in putting vision-logic in the
> intellectual level, but I perfectly agree that it's not the only, and not
> necessarily the best possible model.
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