Hey Platt, Denis, and all,
I'm wondering... Why characterize this "intellectual esthetic sense" as a
5th level, or as evidence of a 5th level? Isn't the esthetic beauty that
Denis sees the beauty of DQ? This explanation would dispose of any need for
a 5th level, and would confirm Platt's sense that this esthetic is evidence
of something higher up than Intellect (remember RMP's graph of the MOQ from
the SODV paper??? DQ is drawn at the top of the chain).
rick
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> I don't mean to butt in here but I can't help but get out the ax I've been
> grinding since the beginning that a fifth level, if there is one, has got
to
> have something to do with esthetics. The following from Denis where
> he makes a judgment about an intellectual pattern from an undefined
> "intellectual esthetic sense" seems to me to be solid evidence of the
> existence of such a higher level. I don't think one can very well sustain
> an argument that our esthetic sense is entirely a matter of intellectual
> or social conditioning or latched to the biological or inorganic levels.
To
> borrow a Wilberism, our sense of beauty seems to "transcend but
> include" the other levels. But, I could be wrong.
>
> Platt
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> Denis writes:
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> > This "vision-logic" is a higher stage of development of an individual's
> > intellect, just as a planetary system is a higher stage of development
of a
> > stellar cloud of gas. But the patterns are, IMHO, still respectively
> > intellectual and inorganic. Of course, this is a matter of intellectual
> > esthetic sense. I find more beauty in putting vision-logic in the
> > intellectual level, but I perfectly agree that it's not the only, and
not
> > necessarily the best possible model.
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