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Erin: "Relax, practice living at the edge, learn to fall (from my own ego)
and
>of course laugh or else I couldn't properly be serious.
>
ANDREA:>It seems to me that none of these lessons, erin, require MOQ at all.
That is, we
>had the philosophical tools to reach this kind of understanding *prior* to
both
>ZAMM and LILA. I'm pretty sure Pirsig knew that too and was trying to say
>something new and different, although perhaps, in that line.
>
ERIN: I think i do know what you are saying here. I do believe that we can
reach this understanding prior to both ZAMM and LILA ( or any other book)and
I know it does not require MOQ (or any other theory).
BUT there is still maintenance of the different levels and to me all of this
is intellectual maintenance.
ANDREA:
>BTW: "living at the edge" happens to be one of my favorite expressions,
although I
>developed this affection to it independent of any Pirsig book. Are you
referring
>to something specific (Zen, etc.) or is it an expression you coined on your
own?
>(Or found in Pirsig? I wouldn't remember where he uses it and how).
>I would be interested to know what that means to you. Perhaps here we have an
>instance of a common language. (Mmmh... this is honest, no sarcasm in case
you are
>wondering).
>
>ERIN: I got it from a chapter in Learning to Fall by Philip Simmons. It is
based on a Zen parable about tigers and strawberries.
hhttp://www.learningtofall.com/excerpt.htm. The idea also has been explored
with Tom Robbins novels. He describes it in FIHFHC a neutral angel or a house
that is burning and that he is looking out of the second story window.
Learning to Fall is about falling toward one thing (death) you are also
falling toward the opposite (life).
If you read the Zen parable and then the last of LILA you see that Pirsig saw
that golden branch and was living at the edge of both life (dynamic quality)
and death (static quality).
I think that he went over the edge when he went "mad" so it shows that you can
have too much of both good and bad qualities.
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