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>***RAYMOND: I understand that myths are a way of
>passing on the moral (social) values of any religion
>through the generations, but in the case of Western
>religion, these are designed to preserve the religion
>itself. Within the Metaphysics of Quality, religious
>practice is a static social pattern, and has the
>tendency to prevent Dynamic intellectual Quality.
ERIN: Raymond I still am not sure why you call it a Western thing. I need
more info than this. I can see how any social dogmatic belief can prevent
dynamic intellectual quality but it is not limited to religion. I could see a
very free-thinking religious group help promoting dynamic intellectual quality
too. So I think it is more "dogma" that you are worried about (rightfully so)
but be careful because it is not limited to religion.
>
>***ERIN: The religious practice may be a static social
>pattern but I think the creating of myths is a dynamic
>intellectual process.***
>
>***RAYMOND: This should be considered as one of the
>major reasons Western religion is fading away. I
>would think that the MoQ would recognize the "need for
>religion" but not as a prefered way of living. Keep
>in mind, the man who lives by myths alone, is arguably
>not living at all; the myths are living for him. Long
>live Dynamic Quality! (which is an interesting
>thought, in-and-of itself...)***
>
ERIN: I hope you didn't take my kleenex joke seriously I am just kidding
around, no harm intended. Your response here just seems so extreme that you
need to be careful or you will become dogmatic without religion. Read this
again and think of dynamic quality as your religion, I feel as if you are
about to go on a Crusade, and we have had enough of those don't you think?
>
RAYMOND
>Erin, your points are well taken and I thank you for
>making them. Please understand that this is very new
>to me, and I'm doing my best to understand it; I'm
>bound to stumble along the way. I also don't want to
>give the impression that I'm trying to achieve some
>form of myth-free existence through my own intellect,
>or that I think it's a desired state. I'm really
>trying to get this all in... but no kleenex, yet.
ERIN: I am very new too. I just read both of Pirsig's books within the last 6
months and have been reading these posts since end of November. I think we
both have a lot to learn. I won't send any kleenex but don't give up on
learning from myths !! I think that this attitude is very good (much more
toned down than the last don't you think?)
RICHARD:>My comments that divided Eastern and Western religions
>were not made trying to prove that one has myths and
>the other doesn't, although I can see how I left
>myself open for that. I do, however, think that in
>many cases, Western myth plays a much more active role
>in its religions.
ERIN: You may be right I don't know if that is true or not. Maybe someone who
is more versed in Eastern religions can answer that for the both of us.
RICHARD:
I know that without myth, most
>societies would never last long. But it is also my
>opinion (just an opinion) that in recent history, some
>of the morals these myths have provided are beginning
>to run into problems with the situations our world has
>run into. Now that I think of it, this point has
>already been made in ZAMM (ch. 14.)
>
ERIN: I don't have my copy of ZAMM to look that up right now but what you are
saying reminds me of the dynamic part about myths. You should deconstruct the
myths of your time and try to reconstruct better ones. I guess there is a
static part that tries to preserve the old myths and a dynamic parts that
tries to create new ones, would you agree to that?
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