Re: MD MOQ and solipsism

From: John Beasley (beasley@austarnet.com.au)
Date: Wed Feb 13 2002 - 11:09:12 GMT


Hi Erin,

Thanks for the positive feedback. I love your quote

"A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging
their prejudices." William James

My attitude towards the mystic position has changed quite a bit in the past
year or two. I used to see the mystic as operating from the biological
level, (in Pirsigese), and hence regressive. I also shared Pirsig's unease
with the seeming loss of moral values that mystics display, in the sense
that what is, is good, including all those bits we normally label bad.
Pirsig, you may remember, left Benares Hindu University after ten years and
just 'gave up' over this very issue.

I've become somewhat fired up over this issue and am sending off yet another
essay to the forum tonight, entitled "Quality, Mysticism and Action in the
World"
which may interest you when it gets posted. I must say that I seem to have a
much clearer view of where the issues are now, and feel about ready to move
on from Pirsig. I have enjoyed very much the debate and ideas I have found
on this forum, but much of the argument is getting repetitive, perhaps not
unrelated to your quote above. No doubt others find my ideas similarly
stale. One of the interesting things that has happened since I started
posting more mystic stuff is that I have been getting emails from people who
have seen the post on the moq site, but want to talk privately. I'm not sure
what it all means, but it indicates something is shifting.

I thought you did a good job of summarising my position when you said
"So the fourth level brings individuality and the fifth level will bring
integration."
I'll let you know if I ever get there.

All the best.

John B

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