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Rod,
I think you missed my point. My point was how El Greco and Pirsig was
changing the view of what is typically thought of as halo. I don't think it
was just
a difference from the east and west perspective. In both perspectives halos
were around RELIGOUS people symbolizing enlightenment. In neither culture
with nonreligous (tigers, kittens, Lila) with the dharmakaya light that was
brought to attention with Pirsig and El Greco. When Pirsig describes El Greco
painting dharmkaya light (389) he compares it the cardinal (religous person
without the light), christ child (with the light) and the adult christ
(without light). So my halo-----dharmakaya example was showing how the
meaning of halo was broadended from western then eastern then El/Greco and
Pirsig.
>I'm sorry but you have completely missed the point..... halos and the
>dharmakaya light are one and the same thing, I'm afraid you have fallen foul
>of SOM to explain Halos' from a western perspective, they are both the
>result of the same feelings of intense emotion or value change... but the
>dharmakaya light is an accepted part of eastern culture, and Halos, because
>of the influence of the church, are associated with saints ( or power)..
>thereby distinguishing mere common man with the greater power of those in
>the church
>
>I can't believe you cut out the one paragraph referring to Pirsig... naughty
>
>
>Rod
>
>
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>on 3/10/02 1:46 AM, enoonan at enoonan@kent.edu wrote:
>
>>> ===== Original Message From moq_discuss@moq.org =====
>> Glenn you won't like my interpretation of dharmkaya light (it involves
those
>> friggin contradictions)
>>
>>
>> ROD: >But what if we now call it a Halo..... now I think there maybe a
greater
>>> chance of experiencing it.
>>> Different name, same thing!!!!!!!!
>>> the category Halo is already deeply embedded in your psyche, it gives you
a
>>> handle with which reassess D light
>>
>>
>> ERIN: Rod, I wanted to respond to your claim that dharmkaya light and halos
>> are the same. I think what is typically associated with a halo is
opposite
>> of what Pirsig is showing with dharmakaya light. The halo is to the priest
as
>> the dharmakaya light is to the brujo.
>>
>>
>> _____________________
>> taken from internet sight about origin halos:
>>
>>
>> CHRISTIANITY:
>> The image of the halo is believed to have originated from the Greek god
>> Helios, whose head emanated rays of sunlight. Then when Christianity
>> flourished in the Mediterranean region, the Christians developed the round
>> halo, and it was first used by emperors and dignitaries when they would
have
>> themselves painted. The color of the halo, which is most often yellow,
comes
>> from its sun origins, and symbolizes knowledge.
>> ---------------------
>> BUDDHISM :The halos and mandorlas that appear in religions such as Buddhism
>> and Hinduism are believed to have come to them through the explorers and
>> traders that went from Europe to Asia around the fourth century. The image
>> caught on quickly because of the idea of enlightenment that exists in these
>> religions. This halo doesn't have the same type of meaning that a
Christian
>> halo would, it means that the wearer is an enlightened being and sees
reality
>> as it truly exists. The picture of a halo surrounds the wearer and
shows
>> them as having a clear head, being contained in a reality that only they
can
>> see. Because anyone in these religions can be enlightened, then anyone
can
>> wear a halo. It is not uncommon to see lay people represented in western
>> religious art with halos around their heads.
>>
>> ___________________________________________
>> Let's look at Jonathan's questions:
>> A. >-Is there an objective difference between light that blinds and light
>>> that illuminates?
>> B. >-Does the appearance of a Halo in a picture mean anything?
>>
>> ERIN:
>> A. does blinded mean absense of light or intense light? I think absense
of
>> light would makes sense about what he says about eyeblinks on page 388. We
>> ignore the darkness of every eyeblink as unreal!
>>
>> B. the halo is a symbol of enlightenment
>>
>> Halo---------------------dharmkaya light
>> 1) typical Christian halos only appeared around high status emperors and
>> around the head
>>
>> 2) Buddhist the halo is extended to many lay people and is shown around the
>> wholde body
>>
>> 3) Pirsig and El Greco show it around human and nonhuman animals which are
>> typically considered unenlightened
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________
>> I also looked into the tiger poem by Blake and I guess Blake also wrote
>> another poem about Lamb. The discussion was Blake contemplating how what
>> created the lioin is the same creator as the lamb.
>>
>> __________________________________________________________
>> Enlightenment of the dharmkaya halo seems to invovle cutting away the
layers
>> of reality to get down to the core experience of human existence.
>>
>> I think the seeing dharmkaya light is analogous to_ Conrad's Heart of
>> Darkness.
>> _____________________________________
>>
>> Just to add some scientific investigations of these auras:
>>
>>
>> The image of a halo, or nimbus, as a mystical energy field surrounding
sacred
>> figures and persons, appears in many religions. Whatever religion the halo
is
>> in, it always represents a similar sacredness and shows the person that it
>> surrounds as a special being, religiously superior to other beings.
>> If such energy fields really do exist, is it because of supernatural,
sacred,
>> or physical agents at work in the world around us? Semyon Kirlian, a
Russian
>> scientist, in 1939 found that an image is created if a photographed object
is
>> subjected to an electrical field. This coronal image he found, would
emanate
>> from almost any object that he tested, but it resembled the spiritual image
of
>> an aura surrounding sacred objects. Despite this resemblance he also found
>> that it had origins in the scientific world. Actually what is recorded is
due
>> to quite natural phenomenon such as pressure, electrical grounding,
humidity
>> and temperature. Changes in moisture, which may reflect changes in
emotion,
>> barometric pressure, and voltage, among other things, will produce
different
>> auras.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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