Hi Squonk:
>I am
> talking about freedom of the individual within society; primarily the
> abstract concept of human rights - which is an intellectual pattern of
> value. To suggest that individual 'persons' are more valuable than society
> is to confuse intellectual values with our status as cultural entities.
Our status as intellectual entities is at a higher level than our status as
cultural entities, thus more moral, more valuable.
> > So, rather than denying individual rights, we may better recognise that
> for > individuals to assert inappropriate privileges is immoral? If i
> appropriate > rights that undermine social values, then surely social
> values may > appropriate the right to restrict my perceived freedom?
>
> What "inappropriate privileges" do you have in mind?
>
> Privileges that allow me to undermine society.
> One such privilege may be as a Hollywood film producer?
> Or maybe a 'sell them a dream then ship 'em shit' capitalist purveyor of
> consumerism? (i.e. a Hollywood film producer).
Are you suggesting censorship? There are already laws against fraud.
> But, as Pirsig says, only a non-illusory individual can respond to DQ, the
> creative force of value evolution. Like the biological level example
> above, evolution depends on (real) individuals, just as the growth and
> wider influence of this Web site does. (-:
>
> Evolution depends upon DQ and maintains itself through static latching. Our
> culture is our 'colony' and it is not a healthy one in my view? It is not a
> healthy one because our social values are based on values of the
> individual, and that is putting the cart before the Horse? Surely!
If you ask me, we already have too many laws protecting our "colony."
Colonies don't respond to DQ; only individuals do.
> The value trap of individuality allows the many to be manipulated as one -
> by the one! What one individual does today, many millions could be doing
> tomorrow - and you talk about individuality! :-)
Manipulated? Who is being manipulated? No you, I hope. (-:
Platt
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