Dear Wim,
our posts crossed each other. I've just read yours quickly and I want to
comment before I close my connection.
> You wrote 10/3 22:01 +0100:Th
> '"Better reflecting before acting" is indeed a good sentence, yet I think
> the 4th level can't be exhausted with it.'
> I agree. As you explained 17/2 15:21 +0100, we're only trying to find
> sentences that 'someone' starting the 4th level could have said. It's not
> meant as a sentence that exhausts the 4th level.
Right.
But even "Why?" is a good candidate.Don't you think?
> 'Acting without reflecting' (as in Eastern martial arts or applied
> mysticism) like 'selfless awareness' aims at the moon of DQ. This may be a
> 5th Q-level, as John B. claimed 17/11/01 14:04 +1000, but I still (like
29/1
> 17:05 +0100) think that they are 'above the intellectual level, on [their]
> way to found a 5th level'. In other words: they are not yet statically
> latched. I wouldn't call them 'pre-intellectual', as you did when you
wrote
> 2/2 16:20 +0100 'we are selfless (preintellectual) aware in our social,
> biological and even inorganic patterns of behavior'.
>
> You 10/3 22:01 +0100 again:
> 'Reflecting is about connecting our intellectual patterns'.
> Not necessarily: 'reflecting' may also just mean 'mirroring', adding a
> 'meaning' to a 'symbol' implying that something which is made into a
symbol
> refers to a meaning, a truth, a reality. Even art can mirror/express
> something else, a meaning, something essential to (but unexplainable
> otherwise by) the artist. And otherwise it may also be (like religion, for
> me at least...) something 'above the intellectual level, on [its] way to
> found a 5th level'. Well maybe Eastern/mystical 'acting without
reflecting'
> & 'selfless awareness', art and religion are in competion with each other
> which will found the 5th level?!
>
Let me just comment for the moment that IMO the whole discussion on the 5th
level is the worst danger for the MOQ. It will be the best alibi for the
scientists to ignore Quality and for the mystics to ignore reason. The exact
opposite of what the MOQ is about. That's what I have tried to point out in
my message sent few minutes ago on this thread.
Ciao,
Marco
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