Hi Lawrence,
> Jonathan, you duck my point:
Lawrence, I think that you have yet to make your point!
> You may not like my saying this, but you can't just come on a list, make a
> bunch of incorrect statements, and then be offended when you are offered
> some help in getting a fuller and more accurate view of what happened.
I was wondering to see what I might have said that you consider incorrect,
so checked back through your posts to see what you had written. After all, I
am not a professional historian, and you are hinting that perhaps you do
really know way more than me.
> In this case, I do assert that I know quite a bit more than you about the
> political history of Israel; I know this because your summary of its
history
> indicates that you have NOT looked at the documents I cited (or perhaps
> don't remember them well). I listed the key documents for the period and
> themes that you were trying to summarize, and again invite you to consult
> them.
> You
> put the phrase "correct version" in quotes, as if there were no such
thing.
> But, indeed, there is a massive documentary history available, and if you
> had studied it you would surely have at least a "more correct" version in
> your mind than you do. Perhaps political science and legal history are not
> your field" and you don't feel you should have to do this work -- fair
> enough --, but if this is the case you will appreciate then the idea that
> you ought to concede the point that some others are likely to know more
> about it than you.
Lawrence, beyond providing press clips and your list of historical
documents, you have made no point whatsoever. There is nothing for me to
concede. You have not given us your version of the history, nor made any
specific correction to mine. That being the case, I think the ball is firmly
in your court. If and when you decide to return it, I will then decide
whether or not to duck it.
[snip]
> Please DO let me have a list of the "several other" documents that I did
not
> cite that you think might increase my own level of understanding.
Actually, I think it is a waste of time looking at old documents for its own
sake. The only value would be to settle arguments. I have stated my own
position and you are welcome to address it, citing whatever documentary
support you need. I reserve the right to do the same if and when you
enlighten me more on your own position.
On the other hand, we both need to consider how much relevance this will
have to advancing the MoQ.
You will note that is not me who started this thread on the Israel-Palestine
conflict. I have no intention of hijacking this forum to discuss this issue,
but I won't stand idly by watching other people posting "information" I
consider misleading or slanderous.
I am the first to admit that I am the last person on this list who can be
trusted to be objective, so I excuse myself from the jury. I appreciate that
people like yourself have valid things to say, and I am all ears waiting to
hear something constructive.However, if you really want to present yourself
as an expert witness, I want to cross-examine. On second thoughts, maybe
I'll leave that to Roger - his set of questions show that he is probably
much more effective than I would be.
All the best,
Jonathan
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