Hello everyone
>From: 3dwavedave <dlt44@ipa.net>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD Mysticism and manners
>Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:50:16 -0500
>
>Bo, all
>
>Bo commented,
>
> > I haven't yet got the annotated "Lila
> > Child" yet (ordered by snail mail) and was a little taken aback when I
> > learned that Pirsig thus directly had criticise my utterings on this
>point,
>
>3WD
>When Dan sent me an early copy of Pirsig's comments I too was taken
>aback at Pirsig's interpretation of "social" as being strictly limited
>to human relationships. ie standard dictionary definition: 1. of or
>having to do with human beings living together as a group....
>
>While this directly correlates to his SO split, as diagramed in the SODV
>paper, this limitation is in part why I have been leary of this split.
>My concern was and is basically twofold.
>
>First, if we move on to the dictionary definition of "society", "2.
>pl-|ties -the trait or tendency in individuals to join together in
>groups and associate with one another...", it is readily evident that
>this seems not to be exclusively a human activity. Though just how
>non-human's experience these "societies" is open to wide ranging and
>inconclusive conjectures by humans.
>
>But second, and more critically, in an evolutionary system where a
>patterns of value are supposedly evolving toward higher levels, this
>limit, metaphysically locks the system to any furture migration into the
>upper two levels of any values other than human ones. I just don't see
>how anyone can accept, even skeptically, the evolutionary suggestion
>that man, and everything else, evolved from some common "star dust" and
>then suggest that man and only man can be or will be ever capable of
>accessing the higher social or intellectural levels. I suspect a little
>Judeo Christian bias here.
Hi Dave
I asked RMP about one of his annotations in LC on whether the MOQ is human
specific in regards to a comment made there but in the same manner which you
seem to suggest here. He replied:
"Anders is slipping into the materialist assumption that there is a
huge world out there that has nothing to do with people. The
MOQ says that is a high quality assumption, within limits. One of
its limits is that without humans to make it that assumption
cannot be made. It is a human specific assumption. Strictly
speaking, Anders has never heard of or ever will hear of anything
that isn’t human specific."- RMP from Lila's Child, print edition
Like Bohr said about us being trapped in language, I take this to mean we
are trapped in the human form. We will never experience anything that is
non-human specific.
Dan
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