Hi Elliot
> Elliot:
> Despite the level of agreement, how does this prove the existance of
> stars? So everyone is equally delusional, infact, humankinds insistance
> upon names for things build a world that is its own and not "Reality".
> "when mind works, various events happen; when mind does not work,
> distinctions between an earthen cave and an old tomb dissapears. The
> whole worldley events spring form one mind and all events are of
> con-sciousness only. therefore one should not seek after truth outside
> the mind." --wonhyo
>
> despite agreement, there is no verification of the world "outside". We
> accept it to continue living, but it is not verifiable, despite how i
> live my life. It is not dissrespecting everyone else, but admittting
> that their exsistance is not absolute but only a product of our
> perception. if you wish to seriously dissagree, please first prove
> existance beyond perception, which i admit is impossible. Sorry if it
> sounds like Descartes, but prove him wrong before disregarding him please.
As you say, I can't prove existence beyond perception. On the other hand, I'm
not sure you or anyone else can disprove it either.?
That's what I'm getting at. The MoQ, positivism, materialism, etc. are all
ad-hoc theories that can't be proven to be correct because such a proof
must be made using a theory. If the theory is proven inside itself, it doesn't
prove anything except consistency. And if the theory is proven inside another
mother-theory, even less is proven.
The reason I choose the MoQ instead of for example Descarte's rationalism is
that the MoQ says much more about our reality which makes it possible to predict
events. It sticks its head out saying: "Ha, try to prove me wrong".
Descarte on the other hand, doesn't try to predict anything. (I trust you'll
correct me if I'm wrong here.) It's almost impossible to argue with his point
because it's close to a tautology.
A further comparison between the two is that they have quite similar starting
points. Descarte starts, and ends, with perception whereas the MoQ starts with
Quality but continues to say more about it by making divisions and sub-divisions.
So, it's up to each and everyone to choose which theory to advocate.
Magnus
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