Magnus:
(elliot)
>>> Admit
>>> first that your studing human perception and not objective reality or
>>> your making the same mistake as the church of reason and Science
>>> (capital S).
> (magnus)
> Can't comply there either. When I'm studying the stars - either directly
> with my eyes, semi-directly with my telescope or indirectly on
> www.nasa.gov - I'm seeing the same stars as everybody else. I see two
> ways to come to terms with this situation. Either, I concede that there
> is a world "out there" and there are other people like me seeing the same
> world as I see, or I say that I can only really know what I see and
> discard everthing and everybody else.
Elliot:
Despite the level of agreement, how does this prove the existance of stars?
So everyone is equally delusional, infact, humankinds insistance upon names
for things build a world that is its own and not "Reality". "when mind
works, various events happen; when mind does not work, distinctions between
an earthen cave and an old tomb dissapears. The whole worldley events
spring form one mind and all events are of con-sciousness only. therefore
one should not seek after truth outside the mind." --wonhyo
despite agreement, there is no verification of the world "outside". We
accept it to continue living, but it is not verifiable, despite how i live
my life. It is not dissrespecting everyone else, but admittting that their
exsistance is not absolute but only a product of our perception. if you
wish to seriously dissagree, please first prove existance beyond
perception, which i admit is impossible. Sorry if it sounds like
Descartes, but prove him wrong before disregarding him please.
Elliot
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