Lawry asked:
I have stayed quiet while you who know the MOQ might tackle from that
vantage point the shape of a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Might it be appropriate now to ask if any conclusions have emerged, with the
aid of the MOQ POV? Of course, I am hoping for new insights, new approaches.
What say you?
DMB says:
Like Lawry, "I cannot yet see any helpful implications of the MOQ" in
Roger's response to the P-I question. T'was a bunch of vague platitudes.
Sure, they were all dressed up in Pirsigian lingo, but they were essentially
meaningless.
Goodness is good. Quality is good. Rightness is good. Duh! T'was not
helpful. (Sorry, Roger.) And it wasn't very MOQ either. This failure
shouldn't be seen as a failure of Pirsig's, but as a failure
interpretation.(Sorry, Roger.)
It seems to me that the MOQ's distinction between the social and
intellectual levels is the most helpful insight into the problem, if not the
solution. As a recent Wilber quote points out, conservatism is mostly
associated with a pre-Modern world view, while liberalism is modern. The MOQ
paints the same picture, associating extreme nationalism, fundamentalism and
other right-wing ideologies with the social level while associating
democracy and human rights with the intellectual level. And I think recent
history clearly demonstrates that when a culture or a nation has its back
against the wall it regresses back to the social level, assuming it ever got
past that level in the first place. We can see this happening in the USA
presently. (9/11, you know.) With that in mind I think what the MOQ says
about this speciific problem is that a solution on the social level is quite
impossible. It can only be solved at the intellectual level. Two cultures
trying to occupy the same space at the space time is unworkable without tons
of help from the intellectual level.
The other day I heard a conservative talk show host discuss the problem with
a conservative magazine writer. There specific topic was the UN. The
question they posed was, "Why does the UN hate Israel?". My point?
Conservative approaches can't solve the problem. It IS the problem.
If this notion helps at all I'd be happy to discuss it further with you,
Lawry.
And thanks for your contributions on this thread. You're a pro.
DMB
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