Re: MD Is Society Making Progress?

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Mon May 27 2002 - 22:11:07 BST


Dear André,

Let me rephrase my question:
You wrote 27/5 16:18 +0100:
'Society is making material progress and spiritual regress. ...
Many countries define progress using Gross National Product and not Gross
National Happiness (like Bhutan).'

Would you care to compare your distinctions material/spiritual progress and
GNP/GNH with Pirsig's distinctions between static and Dynamic quality and
between the different levels of static quality (in order to make clear what
could be the relevance to discussion about a MoQ of your distinctions)? I
fail to see a similarity. If you are not very careful, your distinctions may
even be more similar to the object/subject-distinction which Pirsig tried to
deprive of its metaphysical status...
My distinctions between primary and secondary social and intellectual
progress might be a way out. I associate material progress with secondary
biological progress (survival of species, of biological patterns of values)
and primary social progress (subservient to the value of survival of
biological patterns of values) and spiritual progress with an attempt at
primary progress beyond the intellectual level (subservient to improvement
and support of -selected- intellectual patterns of values). I'd say that
there's missing something between material and spiritual progress (my
secondary social, primary intellectual and secondary intellectual progress),
just as something's missing between objective reality (inorganic plus
biological reality) and subjective reality (intellect as the realm of ideas)
according to my MoQ: social reality, the realm of unconscious longing for
social status and of copying of behavior that gives that status.
GNP measures an aspect of social status; GNH measures (I hope) all static
quality that people can experience.

I think this type of analysis is necessary to find out WHY you experience
spiritual regress (even while lots of movements and organizations
emphasizing spirituality flourish...) and how to remedy that regress.

With friendly greetings,

Wim

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