In a message dated 6/3/02 9:15:24 PM GMT Daylight Time,
onoffononoffon@hotmail.com writes:
> hey Squonk,
>
> you aksed:
>
> >How do we feel about dreams?
> >May we say that dreaming is closer to pattern Romantic quality?
> >The experiences of some scientists suggests a classic flavour is at work,
> >as
> >in the interpretation of the Benzene ring?
> >What is at work in dreaming and what does the MOQ have to say upon
> >interpretation?
>
> Elliot:
> First, sorry for all the long responses all at once, I like to just sit
> down
> every now and then and get it all out and usually so much has built up
> theres alot to say.
>
> As for dreams, i think the more important question is not what you have
> asked Squonk but the cultural mores that influence it. This society and
> all
> its SOM thinking has this idea that waking is real and dreaming is "not
> real". Under the MoQ, we can safely say that dreams are another arena of
> experience (waking being the only explored realm). neither is more "real"
> in any objective sense. Carlos Castaneda, whom i enjoy very much, talks
> alot about dreaming. in the world of Don Juan, dreams are a realm like
> waking where one can have volition and percieve Quality. But we are still
> infants in this world, we have not bothered to focus on the static patterns
>
> there and so it seems less real than this world which we affirm everyday.
> If in dreaming we study the things around us, and make them real, then we
> may have volition and act there.
>
> Therefore, dreams are no more romantic or classic than waking, just depends
>
> on who you are and what Quality strikes you. I think classic types are
> more
> prone to make their world of dreaming real because they a driven to
> analyse.
> however, many classic types still only except dreams as "false" because
> thats the social pattern. and for the last Question, what is at work in
> dreaming? what else, Quality. To break it up into biological and social
> or
> intellectual patterns is a error. sleeping is a biological pattern (and
> social to some extent), but dreaming has its own patterns which we have
> never studied (except for studies which demote dreams to sub waking
> phenomenom) so we cannot write a metaphysics about them. perhaps
> metaphysics dont work there, who knows.
>
Hi Elliot,
Dreaming appears to be where all possibilities exist at once in a
pre-patterned unity?
Wakefulness appears to be more selective?
I wonder if we are all Mystics when asleep.....
All the best,
Squonk.
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