In a message dated 6/4/02 8:05:21 PM GMT Daylight Time,
onoffononoffon@hotmail.com writes:
> Hi Squonk,
>
> your address to me was this:
> >Hi Elliot,
> >Dreaming appears to be where all possibilities exist at once in a
> >pre-patterned unity?
> >Wakefulness appears to be more selective?
> >I wonder if we are all Mystics when asleep.....
> >
> >All the best,
> >Squonk.
>
> Elliot:
> I have to admit i dont entirely understand what you mean: "all
> possibilities
> exist at once in a pre-patterned unity". This sounds to me like a
> marvelous
> description of the world of waking (if quantum mechanics are incorporated).
>
> We are more selective in waking i believe, because we believe much more in
> waking then we do in dreaming, the cleveland harbor effect. and as for our
>
> mystic nature, I'd like to say that we are all mystics all the time, even
> if
> we dont admit it and arent very good at it (who was it that said as humans
> we are philosophers, we get to decide if we'll be good ones or bad, i think
>
> the term mystic also applies here, as the realization of Qulaity as
> exsistance shows us). But, our understanding in dreaming is that of an
> infant. Thus we would be closer to original enlightenment yet we have
> already began the path of ignorance and there is no turning back. Our
> distance from enlightenment in dreaming is probably what you meant by your
> first line (and by the last as well).
>
> Also, you make it sound like it is dreaming that is wierd and wakefulness
> that is more selective. I dont think these are properties of "other worlds
>
> around us" but in our view of experience, we just arent as good at
> dreaming.
> Everyone in this forum is probably at a different point in their
> "dreaming
> education". My dreams are very garbled, unclear and fall away very easily,
>
> i am not very good at all at it. Some others may be consious that they are
>
> dreaming while they are doing it, have volition and be able to remember
> their dreams with varying accuracy.
>
> According to castaneda, the dream world is the SAME as the waking one.
> When
> we achieve volition to a great degree in dreams, we may act in or atleast
> percieve this world. Taking a nap durring the day, the setting of our
> dreams (presumably someplace we already know) would be in daylight also.
> Its in the book, so its gotta be true (kidding of course).
>
> Elliot
>
Hi Elliot,
I must read Castaneda, if you recommend?
My questions regarding dreaming may appear to be subscriptive of an
antirealist tone, but i do not wish this to be the case. I am happy to regard
dreaming as real.
I have still more to explore!
All the best,
Squonk.
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