Re: MD Human rights

From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Thu Jun 13 2002 - 22:40:13 BST


Dear 3WDave,

You asked 21/5 9:07 -0500:
'1) Does the MoQ advocate or support egalitarianism?
2) How does this support, or lack of, tie into the idea of "human rights.?"'

I don't think that a MoQ advocates or actively supports a belief system
implying that all people
should have equal political, social, and economic rights. I'm not sure to
what extent the distinction between inorganic, biological, social and
intellectual patterns of static quality is essential for a MoQ. (The
distinction between Dynamic Quality and static quality IS, but subdivisions
of static quality might also be made -or at least named- differently.) To
the extent that it is, I deem 'human rights' a very crude characterisation
of either the first (defining) intellectual values or of the highest
achievable intellectual values.
In the 'MOQ and solipsism'/'MOQ's intellect'/'Principles' thread (February
and March this year) I suggested 'Better reflecting before acting' as the
first intellectual value differentiating that level from the social level
and 'ethics' as a more general description of that which defines (the 'laws'
of) 'intellect', because 'ethics' 'underpins human rights and duties (among
other ethic principles like rights of the ecosystem and of all individual
living beings to be treated humane)'.
'Human rights' (or the idea that every human has SOME rights that are
inalienable) is an intellectual value that liberates humans from restrictive
and oppressive social patterns of values. If your intellectual patterns of
values are in danger of reverting into socal patterns of values (comparable
to biological patterns of values reverting to inorganic patterns of value by
death and decay), you can prevent that by exercising your 'human rights'.
'Equality of (all) rights (protecting intellectual patterns of values from
political, social and economic forces)' is another intellectual value. We
could debate whether (and under which conditions) the value of
'egalitarianism' is of higher or lower quality (more stable, more versatile
and more harmonious with DQ/Meaning/emerging 5th level patterns of values)
than the value of 'human rights'. It's not very useful to discuss that with
you if you don't agree on 'human rights' and 'egalitarianism' being
intellectual values, however.

I agree that the idea that 'a government shall provide equal "completely
uniform" xyz rights to all' (and implicit in that the idea that 'rights'
come into being because of being granted or guaranteed exclusively by a
government) is not a very fruitful way of proceeding. It indeed perverts
them into 'unthinking, uncaring, inflexible, bureaucratic rules and
regulations', as you wrote 21/5 9:07 -0500. I don't think such perversion is
implicated by 'rights' or even 'equality of rights', however. Granting and
guaranteeing rights can also be organized by 'distributed control', to use
Roger's favorite phrase. I see a more important role for Non Governmental
Organizations than for governments there.

Needless to say (I hope) that the 'right of a Jew to live in Israel' is not
a right that (according to me) is supported by a MoQ. If it can be supported
anyhow, that support should be extended to or amended with (according to me,
being an egalitarian) the right of a Palestinian to live in Palestine.

With friendly greetings,

Wim

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