Thanks Elliot
On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 05:17 AM, elliot hallmark wrote:
> Ok,
>
> Point A is where ape first raised his head, looked around and thought,
> whoa, i am different, i am an individual, then having realized this
> looked back down and continued behaving the same as all the other apes
> for lack of the ability to have a better idea. This is when immitation
> begins, because immitation is a choice, it is an intellectual idea and
> other non-intellectual species cannot immitate, they only act according
> to social Quality, which happens to line them up with everyone else.
> at point A, the itellect exsists as a tool (as pirsig says, the social
> level aware of a higher level)
>
> We can only discuss human social because of the subjective division.
>
>
> Point B is socrates, i guess, where the intellect distinguishes itself,
> although it was always growing untill then.
>
> the other points are arbitrarily important (even more so then the last
> two): descartes, newton, galileo, copernicus are the first few, perhaps
> jesus, karl marx, the buddha and castro (and they gasp) are the later
> ones (may i add marcuse as well [and 1968 in western europe and
> possibly the US], and pirsig of course). maybe throw the new deal in
> there somewhere. arange in in chronological order and there you go.
>
> Or, introvertedness all the way to schitzophrenia, but i asumme this
> graph is supposed to be a chronological thing.
>
> Point G doesnt exsist, except in someone rolling around on the ground,
> frothing at the mouth speaking gibberish. The sage has no choice
> (supreme choice), if someone thought G was enlightenment. I dont think
> this graph incorporates all that is important, the relatioship is more
> complex perhaps...
>
> Elliot
like this? maggie
>
>
>> WHAT'S
>> HERE?-- Point G
>> CHOICE axis |
>> | ___________________________________V___ Gibberish, ~enlightenment
>> | _________/<--WHAT'S HERE? Point F_____
>> | _/<--WHAT'S HERE? Point E_____
>> | /
>> | /
>> | |
>> | /<--WHAT'S HERE? Point D_____
>> | |
>> | |<--WHAT'S HERE? Point C_____Descartes, Newton, Galileo
>> |/
>> ||
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>> |/ <--WHAT'S HERE? Point B_____Socrates
>> |
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>> |
>> | <--WHAT'S HERE? Point A Ape "I am here" Still imitates,
having no new behavior patterns.
>> IMITATION axis
>>
>>
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