Thomas Merton's God is at least as high- quality as Pirsig's quality, as
far as I can see. Also the God of the saints, but many people today
have lost connection with the reality that their lives and words pointed
to.
maggie
On Saturday, June 15, 2002, at 06:21 AM, André wrote:
> --- elliot hallmark <onoffononoffon@hotmail.com>
> wrote: > Andre,
>>
>>>> The real Quality is one that can not be
>>>> explained.
>>>
>>> (andre)Says you. But Zen Masters do it for a
>> living.
>>>
>>> If all people give the explaining up and
>>>> try to percieve instead of philosophical
>> discussions
>>>> they may have some mystical experiences that
>> will be
>>>> more precious than just wandering among theories
>> and
>>>> philosophical theorems.
>>>
>>> (andre)The idea of discussion is an attempt at
>> commonality,
>>> whence, greater truths my arise. Else, from what
>> you
>>> say, we are each left with out personal dreams
>> worlds.
>>> I have no problem with that, intellectually (as
>> yet),
>>> yet I do in life.
>>>
>>> hugs,
>>> Andre
>>
>> Elliot:
>>
>> Its accepted as the fundemental assumption of the
>> MoQ that the Quality event
>> happens before words and explanations can be formed.
>> words come after.
>> Because on the tree words come much further down
>> than Quality, Quality
>> cannot be captured in words. Quality is experience
>> therefore the only way
>> to truly "understand" Quality is to experience it.
>> Zen masters dont
>> describe Quality, they use tactics to get their
>> students to experience it
>> themselves. The map is not the terrain.
>>
>> And discussion finds commanality, but because
>> Quality is before discussion,
>> discussion finds only static patters when the
>> unexplainable lays just as far
>> away as before, this is why some buddhists (and I
>> aswell) say enlightenemnt
>> is a sudden thing and we do not advance towards it
>> (only around it).
>> Discussion aranges our personalities to something
>> that can accept the true
>> experience of Quality.
>>
>> Elliot
>>
>
> Nice one. I'd just like to say "Koans" and hope you
> have a cool weekend.
>
> Laterz,
> André
>
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