Hey all,
This is my first post and I absolutely hate to nitpick but I think we are
talking about the "subconscious" not the "unconscious".
Unconscious would be the state of a blacked out fighter or someone who has
just been hit in the head really hard.
Subconscious, as I understand it, is that part of the mind that we are not
"consciously" aware of, that never-the-less functions as we walk around
every day. I agree with Patrick that we do not know unconsciousness, perhaps
if there is a bad stuntman or fighter among us they could enlighten me on
unconsciousness, but I think we can know our subconscious mind and how it
works. When Pirsig talks about "stuckness" and clearing your mind I think he
means getting your "consciousness" and all its preconceived value judgments
out of the way. Maybe....
Looking forward to discussing ideas
Jim
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Subject: RE: MD language-derived
Hey Patrick
I do not think your post was Dooddoener ( I love that word - its
rather onomatopoetic. I think I will start using it)
PATRICK; My addition here is about the notion of the 'unconsciousness'. I
always
>felt and still feel uncomfortable with this notion. That is because we
>only know consciousness. The unconsciousness is (as you say) no more
>conscious when you ... bring it into consciousness. Thus, we can never
>experience the unconsciousness. It is some kind of 'inference' we make.
>
ERIN: Right,I think the inference is that the unconscious
is a separate "part" rather then both being memory.
I think what you are try to express that a separation is a bit of
an illusion.
I think the terms in psychology- working memory and long-term memory express
it well.
PATRICK (about emotion and reason in consciousness) They form a
>unity; they are intertwined and their boundaries are vague.
ERIN: I think gestalt idea would work here.
Consciousness is more then just the sum of emotion and reason.
I think that they may have a synergistic relation and
the product (consciousness) is better then either alone.
Erin
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