Hi there!
In a message dated 6/26/02 11:26:00 PM GMT Daylight Time,
onoffononoffon@hotmail.com writes:
> hey squonk,
>
> you say:
> >So, if SOM had been necessary and good unintentionally, you appear to be
> >telling us that it has been pragmatic?
> >If this is the case, why challenge it?
> >It may well be that it should be challenged from a Human centred
> >perspective,
>
> Elliot:
> one word: e v o l u t i o n.
>
> It was once good, it was useful for survival, for building tools and
> exploiting nature for the purposes of technological advancement. But, now,
>
> or perhaps at some point in evolution, it is outgrown and transcended (the
> MoQ includes and transcends SOM, not rejects it), it becomes a hindrance to
>
> biology (through the destruction of life for exploitation purposes), to
> society by limiting language and concepts and therefore limits intellect
> and
> thoughts. it isn't just humanocentric, it recognizes all value, not just
> human values.
Awwwwwwww!
But i understand this! :P
>
> >but...
> >
> >If the MOQ is Human centred then i should agree.
> >If however, as i suspect, the MOQ is Cosmic centred, then human values are
> >not the be - all - and - end - all of the cosmos are they?
> >For all we should like to think, SOM may lead to a new dynamic pattern of
> >life which makes Humans a little redundant?
>
> Human values are not the end all be all, they are the most evolved at this
> point, they are the highest so far. Pirsig doesnt reject the value of
> Gravity (inorganic value) or sex (biological), he sees value as a hierarchy
>
> with intellectual value at the top, as including all the value below it and
>
> adding to it.
>
> so i say the MoQ is neither Human nor cosmic (Kosmic?) centred in the way i
>
> think you mean because:
>
> 1. Human value is not considered to be the most fundemental nor basis of
> Quality or the value of other levels and
> 2. the cosmos (chaos, the inorganic), as the fundemental basis of all
> exsistance, does not posses the highest (most whole) most inclusive (most
> important/significant) value.
>
OK.
So you move away from human centred values - something many would disagree
with mind you, but what's this:
Cosmos = chaos, organic?
No, i mean cosmos = EVERYTHING.
For all you and i know there is a value level in the cosmos higher than human
MOQ.
What the MOQ may say about this is that quality is fundamental and this
fundamentality is the cosmos; a cosmos of quality.
SOM may then be a product of human intellectual values destined to move
higher/replace human intellect. I am of course talking about AI, but the
term, 'Artificial' may be inappropriate if one feels the cosmos to be
conscious in all its entirety?
All the best,
Squonk.
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