Dear Squonk.
you said:
> ............
> unpleasant. Subject/Object metaphysics is already integrated into a
> metaphysics of quality because SOM is an Intellectual pattern of
> value.
OK you see my SOL as aesthetically unpleasant, it can't be helped. Then
you say that the SOM is already integrated ...etc. Yes, IMO to the degree of
being the intellectual level itself, but naturally I understand your position:
...one among other intellectual patterns and in this respect you are in
agreement with Pirsig, it's just this thing that strikes me: One moment SOM
is one intellectual pattern, the next it's 'O' is the inorg.-bio. aggregate and it's
'S' the soc.-intell. one. The SOLAQI unites these two aspects.
> I suggest SOM is a METHOD used by INTELLECT to organise memes.
> INTELLECT is the ABILITY to organise memes generally, but not
> specifically into SOM. RATIONALITY is a METHOD for organising memes
> using SOM. Therefore, we can see that SOM and SOLAQI are not the only
> METHODS available to INTELLECT. The ability to organise memes is an
> INTELLECTUAL activity. The MOQ has as its essence 'IT' which is the
> ART counterpart of METHOD.
How do the memes relate to quality? It gets so complicated. Think of all the
yarn that can be spun about the trillions of matter, life and social patterns,
yet the MOQ treats each as ONE value level, but when it comes to intellect it
all opens into a limitless void. No, a general value must be found for intellect
- it is a STATIC level after all - and the SOL is one such.
One question: If SOM is one among other intellectual patterns, what role is it
to have in the future when replaced by the MOQ? That of the dinosaurs?
Our whole scientific edifice to go extinct? I guess you once said that the
MOQ would be "buying the (intellectual) house) no-one can imagine
something like the SOM and MOQ sharing it.
> The Inorganic and Organic evolved before the Social and Intellectual.
> The Social may be fruitfully expressed as memes.
Memes suddenly entering the value evolution? It's values all the way.
Otherwise it is inorganic memes, biological memes ...etc. and you have a
Metaphysics of Memes.
> The Intellectual may
> be fruitfully expressed as Methods or programmes for manipulating
> memes generally. Traditionally, the SOM subjective realm has dealt
> with social and intellectual realities, and memes can expand this into
> the value realm if we orchestrate memetics well. I find that
> incredibly exciting and potentially very high quality indeed; for us
> MOQers may at last begin to see values taking centre stage in the
> scientific arena
Hasn't values had the centre stage all the tine?
> - and in an area concentrating on human values, i.e.
> the social and intellectual. If the SOLAQI is getting in the way of
> that development, then the SOLAQI will have to go, for the benefit of
> humanity.
Will it benefit humanity to jettison the value of the subject/object divide? I
want to give it a whole level - intellect - and QUALITY a development beyond
where all these things you speak about will play itself out.
Bo
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