Hi Marco.
On 7 Sep you said:
> Just for precision, according to Pirsig the white culture of the19th
> century was all but intellect-dominated. It was at the contrary the
> apex of social dominance.
Wim wants to turn Intellect back to the Cro-Magnon era while you think it
had no effect until 1917! I leave it to you two to have it out with each other.
> About the possibility for the lower levels to evolve, let me point out
> that geneticists identify 4 different aspects of biological evolution:
> mutation (emergence of new characteristics)
> migration (import of new characteristics from a diverse compatible
> population) natural selection (survival of the fittest within the
> environment) genetic drift (survival of the luckiest - see my 3 August
> 2002 post on it)
No doubt that "evolution" is still around and would have been at work had
not the social level entered and started to manipulate biology by cutting off
unwanted strains and pursuing the wanted ones. After Intellect's arrival the
"breeding" has been improved by gene splicing and such so I think life on
earth isn't developing through its own dynamics any more.
> More or less, the same happens with social pattern of values (someone
> would say memes).
> I'd say that a social mutation with no intellectual intervention is
> rare and slow (if compared with intellectual mutations). In this I'm
> close to Bo, even if I'd not say that a social mutation is impossible,
> just it is almost imperceptible. But the other three kinds of
> evolution are possible. Example:
This started with Rick asking if I postulated that the upper level blocks DQ
influence on the lower level (including Society after Intellect's advent), I think
so and provided the Zuñi example where the intellect-focussed "white" USA
influenced an Indian tribe, and I believe intellect was a major factor long
before it was "authorized" after WW1. Pirsig said:
«The anectode was a case-history in which there was a conflict of
morality. It concerned a Pueblo Indian who lived in Zuñi, New
Mexico, in the nineteenth century»
The said example is how P. of LILA came to the Dynamic/Static divide in
favour of the Subject/Object one. Later came the 4 static levels and after
intellect the human communities are intellect-focussed or -influenced to
various degrees. Anyway, an important tenet of the MOQ is that the upper
value is the one that controls the lower and I find it strange if DQ
"intervenes" in the static step-stones it uses to reach new heights.
Bo
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